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« on: June 25, 2016, 06:38:46 PM »
Because why not?

Mom watches the liberal propoganda network, and they went on and on about the whole brexit vote was inconsequential and obviously, the UK was going to vote remain. Apparrently the bookies considered "remain" the safe bet.

Then again, the liberal propoganda network had also been pushing the clinton v bush narrative, and look how that turned out. I was especially pissed about how rachel maddow constantly demanded bernie sanders apologise for the "terroristic" actions of his supporters, and also telling him to leave the race for the good of the party, despite the fact that young voters view hillary like an expired sandwich being sold as a premium offering.

But I wander.

It was funny watching them have no bless'ed clue what was going on when the leave vote began to take that narrow margin. They kept trying to talking head over an ITV thread, realizing they didn't have a fuxking clue, going back to the ITV feed, rinse repeat. Caught with their pants down really.

I recognize the views of Americans on this historic vote are possibly less than desired now, but I saw two college age kids with a banner that said "you stole our future."

Now, while I would agree that the boomers are certainly handing off a frivhtening future of economic mystery and fear of robots stealin' our jerbs, but those two kids holding that banner looked like two of the snobbiest little shits on earth. I'd love to run through that bless'ed banner like a football player, doing a header into that river with an inarticulate yell of rage.

But hey, it shows that voting does still work, even if it does create the nightmare future from bttf pt. 2

And Dodgy dave has an amazing madam face right now. Like wow.

Mom was watching her liberal propoganda station today, and trump was on a golf course somewhere. Scotland? He kept telling them their questions had to be about golf, and obviously the reporters didn't give a golly about golf. It reminded me of the adult swim terrorism case, when the two suxpects lawyer told them not to talk about the case, so they held a press conference about their hair.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2016, 06:53:47 AM »

What the "young" don't realise is that for the last 40 years the country, and especially the press, have done nothing but complain about the E.U. All the loony legislation, the cost to agriculture, the idea of a single currency, the list goes on and on. No-one (at least no-one I know) has ever said a kind word about being in Europe.  It is kind to some businesses but crucifies others, so even economically it has never been truly well received. The idea of "freedom of movement" is ill conceived as some nations within the E.U. are far more desirable than others. It was always going to cause problems locally.

I don't believe Brexit should ever have happened and it never would have under a Labour government. The wrong party initiated it and the wrong PM defended it. If nothing else voting out felt like jabbing the administration with a sharp stick and I'd guess a lot of the 'out' vote had that intention.

It is what it is now and Britain should get on with establishing trade with every possible nation it can. I'm sure some of the East will see this as an opportunity and the Chinese especially have invested so much here that I doubt it wants to bail because of this.

Europe has tried to make this very hard for Britain but now has to adhere to the law which should steady the ship. Is has to hope and help Britain to fail miserably as if we actually were to benefit from this vote, they'd be a cue of other countries wanting their own referendum. That is worse case scenario for the E.U.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2016, 08:38:08 AM »
I've been reading some interesting stuff about brexit this morning, but it still seems like such a stupid name. At least they aren't slapping "gate" on the end of it. One interesting argument I saw stated that it was not in any way about racism, but instead about sovereignty and accountability, that leaders in England are more accountable than a commitee in brussels.

Since I'm childish, I'll suggest an alternate name for the press to use - "golly E.U."
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2016, 09:25:55 AM »
Your suggested name is all I've heard it called throughout my adult life.  It's odd now that we have a generation that wants in. I think they think that being in the E.U. means they are destined to a life of boiled beef and carrots. They don't realise that Brexit doesn't mean you can't drink coffee while sitting outside.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2016, 06:40:00 AM »
Have heard of some of Fox news reporting on Brexit with Farage spewing out his usual propaganda.
Farage is live in the EU parliament atm on the BBC site, cocky poo.
 But were going out, so I am totally fed with all the political experts available at work and on my previous Union course, which I made a few enemies stating how poor the IN ran its campaign on so many levels.

funnies quote I heard from a Brian Moore who simply stated that
All the youth of today thought the OAP generation hated them, They have just confirmed it !
Demographically how people voted was interesting.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2016, 02:48:47 PM »
I think that you missed a "not" somewhere in there.

Nothing wrong with a contraction or two. Just ask the French.

Yup.

We just aren't set up for direct democracy, because (a) it doesn't work, and (b) we don't want it to.

Consider that if 51% of the country thought that we should euthanise all left-handed (red haired/ big eared/ male/ young/ old/ ...) people, then we would be on a bit of a slippery slope if the tyranny of the majority were absolute - that it what representative democracy, legislation, common law, checks and balances are installed to avoid.

Choosing a bunch of lying, cheating, stealing politicians to represent us is our way of ensuring that the ignorant, idiot, self-interested populace is kept away from involvement in deciding anything important.

Euthanasia is way better the murder. Those carrot tops should count themselves lucky.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2016, 06:56:00 AM »
So Boris doesn't want to lead the Conservatives as prime minister.
A big hit and run it seems.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2016, 09:21:54 AM »
Watch this space at the next General Election, when we need a "Saviour".


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Re: Brexit
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2016, 03:34:14 AM »
good new today Farage is quitting as UKIp leader

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2016, 07:34:40 AM »
His annual resignation. What is the little beggar up to now, one wonders aloud.

He's probably going to start a new party with BoJo. Either that or a pub.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2016, 11:03:03 PM »
And here's all the people who voted for exit thinking its all over, Who knows what is going to happen with whether Parliament gets to vote on it.
For Someones sake hurry up the uncertainty is killing the UK economy

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2016, 01:39:02 AM »
And here's all the people who voted for exit thinking its all over, Who knows what is going to happen with whether Parliament gets to vote on it.
For Someones sake hurry up the uncertainty is killing the UK economy

The economy is thriving; it's the £ that's bent.

The friends I have that export are making a killing but they're scared shitless about what happens after we leave.  My guess is that if the pound is still weak, most of the European members are not going to want to give up cheap imports for the sake of some cronies seeming to look tough on deserters. 
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2016, 12:14:59 PM »
Today was our invoice date for hosting. I got an exchange rate (server in in Houston) of 1.18.  That's bloody parity in my book!!!

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2016, 11:54:12 PM »
It's getting like a long playing record, keeps going on and on and on and on and on and on
I love the fact every increase or lack of availability of an item is now due to Brexit.
Melton Mowbry pork pies may be going up in price, due to Brexit, But their made and produced in Melton Mowbry  :o :o
I am sure more increases due to Brexit will appear before Xmas  >:(

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2016, 06:10:40 PM »
I'm surprised this shitshow is still being held, it's like a tv show that should be cancelled. Then again, our own election here in the US is the same way. Neither candidate has positive numbers. Clinton is sitting at -30%, Trump at -60%. It's like a bless'ed steam sale on uplay games.

On SNL, Mckinnon as Clinton described herself as a "poo sandwich", and it's quite clear, brexit is a poo buffet!

I heard the latest clownwhoes cowpoo in brexit was that negotiations were to be petulantly held in French.

It's like, look, EU, it's a breakup. No need to boil bunnies.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2016, 11:45:25 PM »
Brexit is a joke and going on far too long. :-[

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2016, 09:59:51 AM »
It's all right for the EU to threaten to expel Greece when the situation with their economy doesn't suit, but heavens forbid if a nation wants to leave of their own accord.

When they've boiled those bunnies they'll stick them on spikes at every exit point. Just to remind the others.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2016, 07:51:45 AM »
Brexit would probably be fine if it weren't handled by politicians. So would have Remain been.

Personally I can't think of a single benefit of being in the EU, and no politician has ever attempted to outline either the benefits or the drawbacks, all they have ever done is use meaningless soundbites containing massive exaggerations and incorrect generalisations. This is compounded by the press attempting to twist and distort everything said by every politician, and the result is, to quote 8ully, a shitstorm.

The biggest plus for me of Brexit is that there are fewer layers of politicians and bureaucrats, but even that likely falls into the "anything that makes no difference is actually no different" camp.

Inflation would have gone up either way,
Unions would have got more bolshie either way,
London will continue to devour most of the country's resources either way,
Scotland will still complain either way,
Unemployment would have gone up either way,
The pound would have gone down either way,
etc., etc., etc.


Quite right.

I don't suppose anyone would have foreseen such bother and fuss it would take to leave the EU, when the EU was first imagined.  If they'd said this would be the result of someone not renewing their membership I doubt they'd have got the thing off the ground in the first place.

I fully understand the principle of sour grapes as, believe it or not, I was once a 5 year old. I really thought that some people in this process would have acted with more maturity - and that includes Obama.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2017, 01:21:07 AM »
"Nicola Sturgeon warns PM she is not bluffing on indyref2"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38543547

Can she legally demand another vote and does parliament have to take notice.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2017, 05:56:06 AM »
This may be from editorial shenanigans, but the article reads to me like Sturgeon does not want to accept reality, even when she's already been told what those realities are, first in that the UK is leaving the EU, and second that a failed referendum has already been held.

She spoke of the meeting with May, where hard lines were drawn in the sand, and wanting to pretend that they aren't there, or that she just doesn't like what she's heard.

The ball she wants to take home simply isn't hers to take.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2017, 06:13:47 AM »
What I find quite amusing is that if there was some kind of Scoxit from the U.K, wouldn't Scotland be left with the decision of a hard or soft version of their departure.

Talk about creating even more circles to run around.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2017, 10:44:27 AM »
On top of that, it's presumptive to think they would just roll into the EU.
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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2017, 08:02:21 AM »
On top of that, it's presumptive to think they would just roll into the EU.
Believe the EU has told Her that if we leave then Scotland must go

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2017, 02:48:08 PM »
Believe the EU has told Her that if we leave then Scotland must go

That's because they are still part of the U.K. If they were to break away then they might be able to automatically keep their membership or just apply to join.  Both options, as 8ully pointed out, are not a given.
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« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2017, 03:09:12 PM »
This whole independence thing is fraught with idiocy. Shetland, Orkney and the Outer Hebrides have said that they would want to declare independence from Scotland if Scotland voted to become independent from the rest of the UK. Where does this madness end? No one is truly independent, so even though nations are largely defined by arbitrary lines drawn on maps there is nothing to replace them with other than other arbitrary lines in different places on the same maps.

I wonder if Shetland, Orkney and the Outer Hebrides would want a hard or soft exit from Scotland? 
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2017, 08:49:35 AM »
I have no idea what the difference is. Out is out.

It's to do with kilts and The Highland games.
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« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2017, 08:04:22 AM »
It's to do with kilts and The Highland games.
And a caber involved I imagine.

Just wish they would get on with it all. Divorces usually take less time than this

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2017, 12:06:09 AM »
News Flash. Teresa has signed the letter
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39422353

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2017, 08:00:12 PM »
Will the new referendum be called ScottShit?
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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2017, 11:56:06 PM »
Will the new referendum be called ScottShit?

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2017, 02:19:47 PM »
Turns out that she signed Article 51 by mistake - we're still in Europe but we all have to wear hats.

Perfectly fitting hats that is. Otherwise, there would be a major health and safety incident that could result in artificial cranial deformation.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #31 on: April 01, 2017, 12:10:11 AM »
 ::)  ;D ;D ;D ;D
what is a worry is the amount of NHS staff that will leave (and has already) as they fear what MAY happen with EU citizens having or not having to leave the UK.
Already spanish citizens in the NHS are looking and returning to the EU as they have to work in a EU country to keep their medical qualification, the UK would not qualify for this requirement when we leave ( unless negotiated and Gibraltar could be a sticking point ???).

Family we have in Oxford are already crapping themselves as they may all have to get off the Doll and work for a living  ;D ;D ;D  ;D.
I find it so easy to wind them up as they voted to be rid of the immigrants, yet dont want to do the jobs the immigrants do.

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« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2017, 01:59:47 AM »
::)  ;D ;D ;D ;D
what is a worry is the amount of NHS staff that will leave (and has already) as they fear what MAY happen with EU citizens having or not having to leave the UK.
Already spanish citizens in the NHS are looking and returning to the EU as they have to work in a EU country to keep their medical qualification, the UK would not qualify for this requirement when we leave ( unless negotiated and Gibraltar could be a sticking point ???).

Family we have in Oxford are already crapping themselves as they may all have to get off the Doll and work for a living  ;D ;D ;D  ;D.
I find it so easy to wind them up as they voted to be rid of the immigrants, yet dont want to do the jobs the immigrants do.

I don't know about there, but in my experience the NHS has been held together by Caribbeans, Indians, Africans and more recently, Filipinos. Rarely have I seen any European staff - barring the brits.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2017, 11:28:20 PM »
spanish / italian / portugese have a large NHS presence in Leicester

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« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2017, 08:48:34 AM »
Well Bubu and I are awaiting news of what Brexit will mean for us with trepidation and fear.

Anybody who claims to know how Brexit will effect everybody is mistaken as this is completely unprecedented, in the past the breaking of treaties was a matter of War, in this case they are treating it like a divorce and we all know how messy those can be multiply that by 30 million and you have Brexit.

I, for one, was against it for obvious reasons but to see the type of mugs that voted for it whooping and howling like a cage of deranged monkeys spouting garbage about "getting their country back" and "no more oppression by unelected officials" made me wonder whether there should have been a minimum IQ requirement in order to vote as clearly they were too stupid to realise that their country had never gone anywhere and that this Brexit did not abolish the House of Lords (Unelected Officials) or the dismantling of the British Civil Service (Similarly Unelected Officials)...

The look on the faces of the Pro Brexit campaign the following day said it all in that they never expected to win and had even less nous or plans on what to do if they did win, exposing their whole campaign as fraudulent as evidenced by how fast the loudest mouths at the top of the Leave campaign abandoned their positions in light of the enormity of their huge Fraud and skulked away like the cowardly wretches that they truly are before the proverbial hit the fan...

A week later after all the whooping and howling had died down and people began to truly consider what they had done we started seeing people claiming that if they thought voting to leave stood a chance of winning they would have changed to stay...

Brexit was one huge fraud perpetrated against the people of the UK and bankrolled by Arron Banks, someone who gained £Millions by this referendum and by speculating on the fall of the pound, he even bragged how much more wealthy he had become because of the uncertainty of the pound due to further dithering on the referendum decision by Theresa May in a TV documentary, whilst peoples food bills shot up he sat with a fat cigar gloating on his own greed.

Now we hear that Gib (Gibraltar) voted 90+% to stay in the EU prompting discussions that might see it return to Spanish sovereignty in order to accommodate its residents wishes to which I am informed that one imbecilic Tory Politician Michael Howard (I remember this cretin from Thatchers reign of terror) made comment about going to war with Spain I Kid you not!...

All in all as far as the UK is concerned it is an underestimation to call this a shitstorm itm is in fact the mother of all shitstorms that threatens to unravel treaties and ties that extend back more than 1000 years and return the UK to Dickensian Poverty and Rackman Landlords all for the greed of a few greedy rich men...

Just my two pennies worth as an interested party ;D
               

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2017, 03:28:16 PM »
I voted out due the hate, hate relationship the construction industry has had with EU regulation. I'm old school and I was sick and tired of constant nannying and ridiculous directives sent out from places that were (in my opinion) still catching up with British building regulations. In fact, nowadays you can pretty much get away with murder by way of quality.

This has been my opinion for over 30 years and has nothing to do with any of the theories that are regularly bandied about.

What I do find odd is the perception that people regret the vote when, in truth, it is quite the opposite. I didn't know many folk that voted out (London was overwhelmingly "in") but now find a lot of people that are excited about the prospect. I do bump into (especially in my industry) a few people that are obviously prejudiced but dress it up as "taking back control", and I find myself having to firmly state that my decision wasn't about immigration as they seem to believe that anyone who voted out did so for that reason. They harp on constantly about the Poles and Romanians etc. expecting bro-hugs of unity. They really have another think coming.

I have to be honest and say I am always irritated when I hear someone in a talk show saying the people of Britain were misled or a victim of fraud. I have my own mind and used it as did the others I know (with a few exceptions noted above) that voted out. I personally always thought the public must have been stoned, spellbound or stupid to have voted the tories in for 18 years. But they did as they did labour for the next decade or so which must have had the conservatives saying the same thing. People exercise their right to choose and those who chose differently just have to live with it.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2017, 12:31:36 PM »
second day into a H&S course  ::) ::)  sorry smokes  ;D ;D

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« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2017, 02:51:40 PM »
second day into a H&S course  ::) ::)  sorry smokes  ;D ;D

I wonder if the HSE has any plans to water down some of the stifling regulation. I mean, you can shop on Oxford street but you can't sweep it without ear protection. Actually, you're breaking rules if you breathe there due to the pollutant particles thingamajig.
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« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2017, 11:05:41 PM »
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2017, 09:56:39 AM »
looking at some of the H&S reg this week, Teresa wants to "cut the red tape"
kids up the chimneys again  ;D ;D ;D ;D







whoops and as christ said common sense should be used

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2017, 01:10:02 PM »
It is maddening that (in my experience) all courses, and all senior HSE folk, insist that the rules aren't mad, it is the application of them: if "common sense" were to be used in conjunction with the rules then the whole system may work.

Unfortunately common sense is not applicable to middle management or lawyers, nor to the great unwashed public who are always looking for someone else to blame for their own stupidity - this creates a perfect storm: someone has a totally avoidable accident that was almost wholly their own fault, calls a lawyer who smells the gravy train and sues: if the middle managers haven't slavishly followed all of the regulation a judge/ jury may find them liable. They shouldn't, but they may.

I used to be a health and safety officer in Brent - or more precisely, for Brent Cross Shopping Centre. The vast majority of infringements were for tripping hazards which could have very easily been avoided. Some of the more serious breaches were the blocking of fire exits which was rife as stores needed more storage that was close to the shop floor. There was already regulation for this but rather then the EU sending over more and more directives on how things should operate, they should have simply said that there should be a complete abolition of 'bungs' and there would have never been an incident again.

@ goldie - those images are class!
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2017, 11:56:20 PM »
an old tutor collected from around the world, hilarious to say the least.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2017, 04:04:46 AM »
well brexit is still up in the air
whens the next vote

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2017, 08:52:16 AM »
Jesus, it's like Mrs. May thinks Europe doesn't have the internet. Like she thinks maggie didn't get enough hate, and she better catch up.

Now I despised Clinton, but voted for her out of fear of the reality show we all now must suffer through, and no network can cancel.

Is May a bless'ed scapegoat? Or is she this bless'ed dumb? It's like the pig corpsefucker left her notes to make him look - - can't say good, so, less bad?
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« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2017, 02:56:30 PM »
Jesus, it's like Mrs. May thinks Europe doesn't have the internet. Like she thinks maggie didn't get enough hate, and she better catch up.

Now I despised Clinton, but voted for her out of fear of the reality show we all now must suffer through, and no network can cancel.

Is May a bless'ed scapegoat? Or is she this bless'ed dumb? It's like the pig corpsefucker left her notes to make him look - - can't say good, so, less bad?

There isn't any real comparison with May and Thatcher - or May and anyone really - as she's pretty much invisible. Most don't like or hate her these days, we all just seem to be waiting for her to disappear like Dave whatshisname.

It's all a bit boring truth be told. Bring back the Faridge I say!
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