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End of Thrones: All the spoilers.
« on: April 14, 2019, 07:45:33 PM »
I both liked and didn't like this episode? A lot of wagon circling actually showing golly all. A few secondary characters get some action, and once again, stupid bickering is done when there is a friggin' Army Of The Dead coming.

Things I liked: Most of the questions I had from the Finale are answered here, they aren't dragging crap out. Jon learns of his Parentage, Daenerys doesn't get to ignore the fact she burned his best friend's father and brother to death, much like her father burned his Grandfather and Uncle to death. I mean DANG. At the same time, some of the parallels are a bit too "on the nose". Like having the episode end with Jaime Lannister and Bran just staring at each other. [The series premiere ended with Jaime shoving bran out a friggin' window, leading him on his series journey, AND permanently crippling him.]


The elephants are denied. We get no elephants. Cersei is DISSAPOINTED.


We spend more time with the Greyjoys than I care for. Most of them run away, but Mr. Runs away every time is actually going to the fight...


Some non combat dragon flying happens, and it's probably going to be one of the few happy moments of the season.


Jon and Arya show off their swords to each other, like NERDS. I liked it, it was pretty good, but Arya sides with Dipshit Sansa. Again. Sansa is really good at standing on walls and whining. And that's about it. She's like the Skyler White of the series, always telling the cool doods not to go do cool dood stuff. Like being a super criminal, like Walter White.


A character I was pretty sure died in a friggin' avalanche/700 foot wall implosion is somehow alive, but I'm happy, because he's funny. He got one of the few jokes in the episode, which lead up to a fairly messed up horror scene.


If anything is missing, I'd say since everyone is calling Daenarys a jackwagon, she isn't really doing anything offensive. She brought an Army to defend the People, She brought some pretty friggin' sweet Dragons to once again, Defend the people.


About the only person who has the right to be pissed at her is Samwell Tarly, and HOO BOY does he ever. Thankfully, he keeps his treason to talking with his best friend jon snow Aegon Targaryen


He's no longer "KING IN DA NORF", a title he's abdicated. He's now the Rightfull King of the Seven Kingdoms. And he DOES. NOT. HAVE. TIME. FOR. THAT. poo.


ICE ZOMBIES. ICE DRAGON. BAD NEWS.

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I was reading a thread, and they recapped that some whores (literally, I am not being mysogynistic, the setting has whores) Complain about a Lannister Soldier named Ed getting his face burned off last season.


Last season, fans complained that Ed Sheerhan got a cameo in GOT, including singing. So Ed Sheerhan LOST the game of thrones.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2019, 08:37:01 PM by 8ullfrog »
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Re: End of Thrones: All the spoilers.
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2019, 07:53:40 AM »
I both liked and didn't like this episode? A lot of wagon circling actually showing golly all. A few secondary characters get some action, and once again, stupid bickering is done when there is a friggin' Army Of The Dead coming.

Things I liked: Most of the questions I had from the Finale are answered here, they aren't dragging crap out. Jon learns of his Parentage, Daenerys doesn't get to ignore the fact she burned his best friend's father and brother to death, much like her father burned his Grandfather and Uncle to death. I mean DANG. At the same time, some of the parallels are a bit too "on the nose". Like having the episode end with Jaime Lannister and Bran just staring at each other.
We spend more time with the Greyjoys than I care for. Most of them run away, but Mr. Runs away every time is actually going to the fight...
Jon and Arya show off their swords to each other, like NERDS. I liked it, it was pretty good, but Arya sides with Dipshit Sansa. Again. Sansa is really good at standing on walls and whining. And that's about it. She's like the Skyler White of the series, always telling the cool doods not to go do cool dood stuff. Like being a super criminal, like Walter White.

I'm mystified about why everyone thinks Sansa is smart.  Was it her tutelage with Little Finger?  The Skyler White analogue is pretty apt, (I laughed when I read that) but the show ain't over til the fat lady sings, or whatever.

I couldn't tell who was staring at whom at the end, so thanks for that.  Cersei continues to exercise extremely poor judgment.  Wasn't she pregnant already at the end of last season?  So what's with the rumpy pumpy with the Icky Greyjoy uncle?  That guy makes your skin crawl and she finds him interesting.  She needs to get out more.  Somehow if there is justice, she'll pay the price for sitting on her keester while the rest of the seven kingdoms go try to fight off the army of the north/cold undead white walkers.  How she can find that a good thing that they'll take out her enemies is beyond stupid.  That's like South Korea wishing for somebody to nuke North Korea. It might solve one problem, but it will give you a much bigger problem in the process.  At times this show reads like a WPA project for British actors, Anton Lesser is in pretty much everything on the BBC.  Wolf Hall, The Hour, Endeavour, and this.  There's lots of other actors as well, but I'm too sleep deprived to list them.  Lesser seems to be the co-opted priest of the wacko religion that had her parading naked through the streets for penance, and now he's her hand.  Great move, that.  King's Landing seems like such a lonely place, and so dull these days.

I'm assuming her brother will go fight the white walkers because he has a shred of decency.  Winterfell is like a little wooden motel 6 with a cool tree compared to the urbanity of Lannister's city.  It's curious to see everyone hanging out with the livestock in the mud and the snow.  How Danaerys keeps her nice white coat so clean is a marvel.  And I don't know about you, but if I wanted to ride on back of a large dragon, I'd probably leave my cape behind.

Nice to see Theon Greyjoy actually do something heroic and virtuous for a change.  I found the hour sort of slow in terms of development.  Sansa didn't like Danaerys.  OK.  She's had some bad experiences with strangers.  I get it. 

I'm a little confused about what's up with the Night's Watch and the Wildings.  If the wall fell to the blue ice guys, where are they holing up?  Or are the ice guys on a short vacation from wreaking havoc?

It's curiously slow to develop but other stuff, like here, Jon, let me fill you in on your parentage (how Sam got to Winterfell either escaped me, or was explained and I forgot it) seems to have been shoved into the episode with a shoehorn, like, the writers thought, we'd better get this established because we only have x number of episodes to wrap this thing up and it's necessary for plot development.  And how does Jon get to be the big king instead of Danaerys?  Is this the business as usual sexism?  He's second generation, right?
 Or does it descend through the male line with the elder son and his progeny being first before subsequent siblings?  How much older was Jon's father than Danaerys, anyway?

Or is the ability to raise dragons and walk through fire just a cut below hanging out with guys in the north?  Jon Snow's rise from the dead was a good trick, so maybe that was it.  I still don't think that thread was particularly well developed.  I don't remember him getting killed in the books so this is a new wrinkle that the writers didn't bother with and Melissandre seems to be awol.  Don't know if she'll pop up again.

I was happy to have it back, regardless.
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Re: End of Thrones: All the spoilers.
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2019, 08:14:58 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2019, 11:00:22 AM »
Sansa thinks she knows all the rules to the game because she's watched the smartest players play... and she's wrong. Her two tutors were Cersei Lannister, who has always been a brutish thug throwing around Daddy, and later Robert's power, and Littlefinger, who intentionally bent things up because he was always angry about not getting "what he deserved". I've a lot of family like that. Very good at breaking things, utter poo at fixing things. We don't get to see his endgame, because Arya neatly cut that thread. During Arya's "Trial" Sansa implies the valyrian steel dagger (often called the catspaw dagger) belonged to littlefinger, that he sent the assasin. I was under the impression Joffery did it. (He wanted to kill bran for being a cripple).

Qyburn is a nasty, nasty character, and the Maesters were right to expel him. Then again, they poisoned all the dragons and destroy anything they can find related to magic, so they're pretty shortsighted themselves.

The Greyjoy alliance is needed because Daenerys pretty much wrecked the Lannisters with her dragons, plus no one else likes her.

She's bless'ed him presumably to cover the fact that she got pregnant by her brother again. That pretty much kicked off the war of the five kings.

Is she Pregnant? Dunno, prophecy says she only gets three kids, but it's also possible that Witch was just a madam. Also, she's drinking a lot of wine for a pregnant person, something that we already know the Westerosi know not to do. (Talisa Stark, red wedding)

Jaime swore to join the alliance, His madam sister backed out. The sword he currently carries is named Oathkeeper. The preview sort of implies he's bent himself, as he's standing where Littlefinger stood last season. Daenerys talks about how her bedtime stories were about her and her poo brother would kill him.

Kings Landing actually is a Lannister city now, she's replaced the Seven Pointed Star with the sigil of House Lannister. Plus, she blew up the church and faith, and appears to have got away with it. Whenever I kill a pope in one of those medieval conquest games, I get excommunicated and large portions of my army desert. BOOOO

Theon is pretty good at sneak attacks, he once captured Winterfell. Granted, that was a horrible betrayal, AND rightly cost him his most prized posession, but he is good at it.

Nights watch ain't got no wall to stand on, they'll either join the army of the living at winterfell, desert, or die horribly. The wildlings already came through the wall, that's why the watch betrayed and executed Jon Snow.

Dang, Sam did quite a long journey from old town, He essentially went from San Diego to New York. He got there towards the end of last season, He and Bran the creep had a short arguement about Jon being a scallywag, then Bran uses his creeper-vision to confirm that Jon isn't even named Jon. That was Ned being a richard. His name is Aegon Targaryan. Female Targaryans are not allowed to inherit. Technically, neither can Aegon, since King bottom disinhereted his son Rhaegar's children after Rhaegar got his chest smashed in by Robert, making Viserys the "rightful" heir.

And of course, Viserys is dead as golly.

Truth is, we don't really get "3 months later" or stuff like that. The show moves at the speed of plot. We do know it took King Robert 3 months to get from KL to Winterfell, but they were slowed by Cersei's piece of poo carriage. Might have been weeks actually, been a long time since I watched the first episode.


Melisandre is banished. If she shows up again, Ser Davos will kill the poo out of her.
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Re: End of Thrones: All the spoilers.
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2019, 11:55:02 AM »
Thanks for the update/explanation.  I forget stuff from one season to the next.  Once I just read all the books between seasons but that was a couple years ago.

I thought King's Landing was always a Lannister City.  What was it before?  I probably should rewatch the first couple seasons to remind myself.

Melissandre was easy on the eyes.  I think she was played by a Dutch actress.  Just lovely.  Of course there were lots of good looking actors on the show who have moved on.  Jon Snow's wilding girlfriend (and real life girlfriend) is now a lesbian attorney on The Good Fight.  I suspect the paychecks are bigger on this side of the Atlantic.

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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2019, 12:48:11 PM »
Ygritte was Rose Leslie. Spouse of Kit Harrington. They joked about it on SNL, she told him to grow the beard back.

Kings landing... super complicated, but technically correct. Renly Baratheon was supposed to run the courts and the cops, but he was as lazy as his brother, the King.

So Redcloaks (Lannister soldiers) swelled the ranks of the Gold Cloaks (Official City Watch, corrupt as golly) (Also joked about with Flea Bottom: SVU)
All of the Queen's children were 100% Lannister, and she raised them as such, I don't think Joffery ever wore black and gold, his supposed house colors. Funny enough, the Queensguard of Cersei look more like Baratheon soldiers than anything else. I can't make out their sigil though, none of the shots lingered long enough. Maybe it's the throne?

When Ned brings the legitimate proclamation that he is to hold Regency until some unspecifed age for King prostitute murderer and all around poo, Things Went Down.

Renly and Stannis, the two presumptive legitimate Heirs, ran away. So Lannister soldiers cut down pretty much whoever they felt like killing. So yeah, Kings Landing has been pretty Red and Gold on the series. Doesn't help that the Castle is literally called the Red Keep.

Yes, Carice van Houten is insanely attractive, even among all the pretty people on the show. Sadly, that's how Emilia Clarke got the job, the original Daenerys (I HATE TYPING THAT NAME) from the pilot got dropped.

Funny enough, a lot of the pilot survives in the first episode, you may note Ned's hair goes between greasy and not greasy (They decided on the non greasy look) and Peter Dinklage looks like he takes haircare advice from Eminem.

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Jimmy Kimmel did a bit where a diabolical clause in their HBO contracts, the cast has to answer Game of Thrones questions over the phone. Sadly, like most talk show bits, it only gets half way to funny. Did remind me of the thread tho.
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