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Title: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: MisterAJ on August 25, 2009, 11:48:45 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/26/obit.ted.kennedy/index.html
Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: JackFrost on August 26, 2009, 08:51:01 AM
Well, I can't say this is surprising considering the poor forecast he'd been getting lately.

But 77 is a pretty good run, and at least he share his brothers' fate.
Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: MisterAJ on August 26, 2009, 12:05:01 PM
Was thinking about that car-accident that cost him the Presidential nomination:

Conspiracy..? Someone forcing him of the road, chasing him away..?  ???
Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: ohcheap1 on August 26, 2009, 12:48:44 PM
There is a wiki page on this. Its a quick read if you want to refresh yourself on Chappaquiddick. He didnt even make an effort to cover his poo up....VERY pathetic. How do people get away with stuff like this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident)
Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: dweez on August 26, 2009, 01:12:00 PM
And then he goes and names his Portuguese water dog, Splash.
Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: JackFrost on August 26, 2009, 02:14:39 PM
Quote from: MisterAJ on August 26, 2009, 12:05:01 PM
Was thinking about that car-accident that cost him the Presidential nomination:

Conspiracy..? Someone forcing him of the road, chasing him away..?  ???

There is actually a school of thought that says the incident was deliberate (well, not Mary Jo Kopecky's death, but the drunken car wreck itself).

Some think that Teddy never wanted to run for president considering what happened to his brothers, and so he made it so no one would ever ask.

Keep in mind his drunken shenanigans were pretty legendary - and then there's Chappaquiddick to top it off...
Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: ohcheap1 on August 26, 2009, 03:35:19 PM
Quote from: dweez on August 26, 2009, 01:12:00 PM
And then he goes and names his Portuguese water dog, Splash.
What a gargantuan bottom.
Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: JackFrost on August 26, 2009, 04:17:14 PM
Quote from: ohcheap1 on August 26, 2009, 12:48:44 PM
VERY pathetic. How do people get away with stuff like this?

The very wealthy can do whatever they please.

Kind of a problem we're having lately, actually.
Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: laama on August 26, 2009, 05:25:39 PM
R.I.P.
Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: redlandslide on August 26, 2009, 07:00:53 PM
This tribute threat seems to have detoured down a very pot-holed side road.  :D
Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: ohcheap1 on August 26, 2009, 08:02:54 PM
OK, I took it off. Still think that but not the right time or place. Sorry. :(
Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: smokester on August 27, 2009, 06:09:49 AM
Apart from his personal life I have always considered his political views quite sound.  He was a little too sympathetic towards the IRA but he understood and was not afraid to speak out that the history of the "Troubles" was Britain's fault alone, and it should be they who moved to resolve the Northern Irish situation - that had to be a brave move in the 70's and would have won him no popularity votes either side of the pond.  More lately he unquestionably helped with the agreement that is in place now, and that agreement has affected the quality of life for most people in Britain, in that the IRA threats and actions are all but a thing of the past - and considering my sister is a "border wife", I am more thankful of that than most.

He was anti most wars that in retrospect have proved to be futile and unnecessarily painful, so there could have been nothing wrong with his foresight, and I for one judge him for those views and not his personal endeavours - would the man without skeletons in his closet, cast the first bone..  

R.I.P.
Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: MisterAJ on August 27, 2009, 08:43:21 AM
Quote from: smokester on August 27, 2009, 06:09:49 AM
would the man without skeletons in his closet, cast the first bone..

(AJ quietly leaves the debate)

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Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: ohcheap1 on August 27, 2009, 08:52:04 AM
OK then. Im giving in and trying to show respect.
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Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: JackFrost on August 27, 2009, 08:55:18 AM
Quote from: smokester on August 27, 2009, 06:09:49 AM
He was anti most wars that in retrospect have proved to be futile and unnecessarily painful, so there could have been nothing wrong with his foresight, and I for one judge him for those views and not his personal endeavours - would the man without skeletons in his closet, cast the first bone..  

I wasn't saying I had a problem with his personal foibles - in fact, I could care less about most of them (tho' causing someone's death through your negligence is pretty hard to get around...).

But we live in a country where sex/drugs/vice scandal trumps all else.

After all, we are the country that impeached a president for a blowjob and didn't impeach the one that started an illegal war
Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: smokester on August 27, 2009, 10:38:14 AM
Quote from: JackFrost on August 27, 2009, 08:55:18 AM
I wasn't saying I had a problem with his personal foibles - in fact, I could care less about most of them (tho' causing someone's death through your negligence is pretty hard to get around...).

But we live in a country where sex/drugs/vice scandal trumps all else.

After all, we are the country that impeached a president for a blowjob and didn't impeach the one that started an illegal war

My assessment of people is always governed by their intention, and it is my opinion that he did not intend for the woman to die, but it was his intention to use his voice and influence to stop wars and conflicts, where hundreds, even thousands of innocent people in some cases, would die or be injured unnecessarily - that is the inescapable fact for me.

I totally agree that something is wrong when scandal and misadventure is the yardstick by which not only your country measures the worth of a politician/person in general, but I do feel that it is the public that gives that phenomenon credence in the first place so they only have themselves to blame.  That's why referendums wouldn't work any better..
Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: Robin-Graves on August 30, 2009, 02:34:42 PM
I cant say its our country that revels in scandal as such,, but more our media.
 What IS sad is that most in this country let the media think for them. 
We still have this cary over from the 50s that if its on the news its "true".
Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: smokester on August 30, 2009, 04:27:55 PM
Quote from: Robin-Graves on August 30, 2009, 02:34:42 PM
I cant say its our country that revels in scandal as such,, but more our media.
 What IS sad is that most in this country let the media think for them. 
We still have this cary over from the 50s that if its on the news its "true".

Just reading my comment back and I can see some ambiguity in the way I wrote it.  When I say: " not only your country", I mean the concept of trying to influence opinion by mud slinging is not reserved for use in the U.S.A - it seems to be the staple diet of the Press here too these days.
Title: Re: Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy dead at 77
Post by: Robin-Graves on September 06, 2009, 07:58:49 PM
The media controls too much.
I think I saw something like this in films from the 40s.
They were hard to understand, since they were in German.