Topic: Boston

[goldshirt*9]

Found out this morning 16/4/2013 about this tragic incident via Ocheap and the news
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22162884

Terrible indeed
have just seen this story, so sad indeed.
My heart felt emotions go out to anyone who was there or knows someone there. 
To target anyone is terrible but to target a voluntary event, and for many a chance to raise money for charity is terrible.
Who ever did this knew what they were doing, A second explosion 10 sec after the first when people are panicking and running for cover hopefully will give the authorities some idea of who or what group of people favour this style of attack.
Another sad day .

[brickbatz]

Millions of people wondering why.

New York Times
War Zone at Mile 26: ‘So Many People Without Legs

“These runners just finished and they don’t have legs now,” said Roupen Bastajian, 35, a Rhode Island state trooper and former Marine. “So many of them. There are so many people without legs. It’s all blood. There’s blood everywhere. You got bones, fragments. It’s disgusting.”

[smokester]

"why" has never been of much help in these situations as there can never be any sense involved in it, and usually it simply boils down hatred.

It's odd that now you actually want it to be Al Qaeda, as if the perpetrators were home grown or even something like North Korean, the situation would become even more frightening.

[GrampyTJ]

No matter who it was, it is an act of terror.
I tend to think that whoever it was was likely "home grown" and given the number of bombs, and
the coordination involved, it was more than one person.

The thing that I hate most of all is that the people that did this achieved their aim, because world wide,
this is going to change how things are done, and people looking over their shoulders takes away from
whatever event they are attending.

[goldshirt*9]

welcome to the fora GrampyTJ
Yes unfortunately they did achieve World wide media coverage.
Pakistani Taliban have already stated they had nothing to do with this.

[6pairsofshoes]

welcome to the fora GrampyTJ
Yes unfortunately they did achieve World wide media coverage.
Pakistani Taliban have already stated they had nothing to do with this.

Well, that's refreshing.

Hello, Grampy.  Somehow your name is familiar.  Were you on the Noid fora before?

[dweez]

Hey GrampyTJ.  Welcome.

[GrampyTJ]

Well, that's refreshing.

Hello, Grampy.  Somehow your name is familiar.  Were you on the Noid fora before?

I surely was though when I signed up there was not a "grampy" 
Thanks all for the welcome, you have a very nice home here

[xtopave]

Thanks all for the welcome, you have a very nice home here

Welcome GrampyTJ.

See, dweez? I told you mopping the floor would pay back.

[dweez]

Yep, you were right!

* dweez goes to change the mop water

[smokester]

So what's the latest on this?  I heard they may have one of the perps on camera?

[6pairsofshoes]

There apparently is video footage of someone depositing a bag similar to that containing the explosive device from the building containing a department store directly across the street from the site of the second explosion.

Rumors have been flying about suspects and arrests, but the fact appears that they have an image, but that they are still looking for someone as far as I know.  I find that the Boston Globe has the most up to date information among the various U.S. newspapers.  Here's a link:
http://bostonglobe.com/

There's a daunting amount of video footage and photos for the law enforcement to go through.  I can't imagine this will take a short amount of time.  What has been reported is that they are running the image through databases for passports, drivers licenses and other images that might help identify the guy.

[goldshirt*9]

rumours abound, as no concrete evidence is  yet available as to who , why the press are jumping on anything they think they can sell the papers with.

[brickbatz]

Police: One Boston Bombing Marathon Suspect Dead; Other Is Missing

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-suspects-mit-officer-shooting-dead-tied-boston-18995164#.UXEII8otY_g

[8ullfrog]

reddit is dead.

All week, the major news services have been using reddit for their live updates. It's down now. Here is the police scanner.

http://www.twitch.tv/febtv/

and the gmap

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=200082141349599835237.0004daaf434ba5147dce8&msa=0&iwloc=A

[6pairsofshoes]

They caught one of the monsters.  Now.  Let's sit that guy down and say, "what were you thinking when you decided to go blow the legs off of a bunch of athletes and kill some children?"  That's something I have trouble wrapping my brain around.

Honestly, you want to figure out what causes this so you can eliminate the genes or somehow put a stop to it.  I understand his older brother got arrested for beating his former girlfriend.  He managed to impregnate her a couple years ago.  The father of the woman wants nothing to do with any of this and refused to comment to the Press.  Hardly a surprise. 

[goldshirt*9]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22228151

As 6pair says, why though did he do it

[brickbatz]

[goldshirt*9]

do they have the death penalty in the Boston state ?
I hope not, as he shouldn't be martyr

[brickbatz]

Meh... grill him and kill him.

[6pairsofshoes]

He should be given due process, tried fairly and convicted if warranted.  But given the two suspects were throwing homemade explosives at police during the chase and tons of explosives were found at their apartment, I don't think this will be a difficult case to prove.

[GrampyTJ]

do they have the death penalty in the Boston state ?
I hope not, as he shouldn't be martyr

Massachusetts does not have the death penalty, but from what I saw he is going to be tried
in a Federal Court, and the death penalty could apply under Federal jurisdiction

Agree, I hope they don't make a martyr out of him. but with the huge push for gun regulations
and stiffer penalties for offenders it wouldn't surprise me if the US attorney for that area put Death Penalty
on the table

 

[brickbatz]

If he is guilty, presumably?

Beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[goldshirt*9]

If he is guilty, presumably?

a good point though

[brickbatz]

Throws explosive devices, shoots it out with cops, hmm... maybe he's innocent.

[smokester]

I find it a little confusing that their parents claimed that the brothers were being monitored by the FBI so couldn't have planned the attack, which I'd initially disbelieved, and then is was revealed that they were interviewed by the Feds in 2011 so the parents' claim must have credence.

I could understand that people that may have once been considered a risk, somehow got under the radar and carried out a horrendous act or whatever, but these guys seemed to be armed to the teeth with explosives and other lethal weapons.  How could that occur?

[smokester]

Yeah, you're right. Save the money and string him up now. A trial would only confuse the issue.

From what I can see, the term "suspect" is still used consistently.

[goldshirt*9]

Throws explosive devices, shoots it out with cops, hmm... maybe he's innocent.

circumstantial to the original (marathon explosion) incident.
No doubt he will be charged for this incident, but hard evidence must to obtained to charge him with the Boston explosions.
Feelings have no meaning in the court of law, just facts and thats it

[smokester]

Yup:

"Suspect" indeed.

I think what happened here was that the security forces were really thorough before that released photos or gave any indication of who the perpetrators may be. This was due to "past mistakes" which they were open about, so when they did finally play their hand, it left little doubt in people's minds that who they were pointing the finger at had been researched, and were, most likely, the real culprits.

Given this scenario, it is understandable that people may already be convinced they are guilty.

[brickbatz]

When they robbed the convenience store and stole the SUV they identified themselves as the bombers. That and two shootouts pretty much convinces me of their guilt. Of course the remaining suspect is entitled to a fair trial and I hope he gets the best internet lawyers. 

[smokester]

When they robbed the convenience store and stole the SUV they identified themselves as the bombers.

They "apparently" said that to one man who they'd carjacked but released uninjured.

That's hardly singing it from the rooftops.

[brickbatz]

And the blood on the boat he was hiding in?

[smokester]

And the blood on the boat he was hiding in?

I'm not here as a juror, regardless of whether I think they're guilty or not. I was simply pointing out that one man's biased statement (he was carjacked) does not prove beyond doubt that they identified themselves.  Even if they had, even that does not prove it was them as there are probably many who would claim to be the perpetrators.

I'll wait and see.

[goldshirt*9]

When they robbed the convenience store and stole the SUV they identified themselves as the bombers.

didnt know they confessed to the bombings at this point, but must still be proven.Munchausen ish

Of course the remaining suspect is entitled to a fair trial and I hope he gets the best internet lawyers. 

Almost certainly some hot shot lawyer will want this case, or is Cochran is available.

[8ullfrog]

He is not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnnie_Cochran

[goldshirt*9]

Ta.
some other hot shot will cost the tax payer lots of money then

[8ullfrog]

Wow, Really?

[bubu]

another thing I don't understand , the guys are chechens so they should put bombs in Russia not in Usa, and who helped them buildings bombs? They seems too young to have much of a knowledge themselves so it will be interesting to know who's behind them.

[8ullfrog]

I've read a lot of speculation that the older brother was on track to being a contender, and bent it all up by becoming radicalized.

The younger brother has been described as a loser by his uncle, he may have just been a tag-along.

[goldshirt*9]

Wow, Really?

mmmmmmmmmmmm maybe
as he has to be represented

[8ullfrog]

What I meant is that when one stands trial, the burden of proof is on the Prosecution. Saying the defense cost taxpayers money is off base. In the US you have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided to you.

[smokester]

What I meant is that when one stands trial, the burden of proof is on the Prosecution. Saying the defense cost taxpayers money is off base. In the US you have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided to you.

Here it's called "Legal aid".

[goldshirt*9]

What I meant is that when one stands trial, the burden of proof is on the Prosecution. Saying the defense cost taxpayers money is off base. In the US you have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided to you.

same as the UK,
money comes from somewhere though , attorney may be given to you but you pay through tax's and such 
In a high profile case as this is, I would put money on a expensive law firm just to make sure all evidence / justice will be to the letter of the law.
Too many people get off because of a "technicality" and the American public wouldn’t stand for this !!

[6pairsofshoes]

I've read a lot of speculation that the older brother was on track to being a contender, and bent it all up by becoming radicalized.

The younger brother has been described as a loser by his uncle, he may have just been a tag-along.

I think you have confused one detail.  The older brother was described as a loser.  Because of his domestic violence, he was denied citizenship and had a green card.  The  younger brother was affable and bright, and recently became a citizen.  He was well liked and described as decent and modest.  He had served as the captain of his high school wrestling team and a scholarship student at the University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth.  The suspicion is that the younger brother was swayed by the elder.  The elder had apparently been investigated by the FBI, but no action was taken, despite the fact that he had recently become ostensibly devout in his faith.  He had upped youtube videos about how to pray more effectively. 

I think more information will be forthcoming about Tamerlan (the elder) as this whole ugly business unfolds and more information is released.  I suspect some stuff is held back because of the trial.  It's early days, yet.  The younger brother is still recovering in hospital and not communicating.

The sense portrayed in the press is that the older brother had trouble adjusting, had a chip on his shoulder, despite talent as a boxer.  Sort of like he came here and got a chip on his shoulder and decided to don the fig leaf of religion in order to effect thuggery, dragging the younger brother along.

[8ullfrog]

Yes, I believe the older brother converted his girlfriend with a heavy hand.

I read an article about how the older brother was Golden Gloves material and wanted to box for Team USA. Stark contrast to what he ended up doing.