General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: chekovsulu on September 20, 2009, 12:36:35 PM
Title: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: chekovsulu on September 20, 2009, 12:36:35 PM
Here they have some videos of surgery in the 1930s. It's in spoilers because it's not for family viewing, i.e. DON'T CLICK IF YOU DON'T LIKE WATCHING BITS OF BRAIN AND OTHER INSIDES BEING MESSED AROUND WITH! ER and CASUALTY DO NOT COUNT!
Is modern surgery a lot like this? Humans are fairly durable, I know this from the jump I took off a wall one metre high, but those videos looks rough!
I wanted to post a video of McCoy from Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home referring to the dark ages after hearing about the plan to open Chekov up, but Youtube let me down.
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: goldshirt*9 on September 21, 2009, 07:53:43 AM
i suppose its not much different today except the drills electric. have been to oxfords medical museum and the tools there are scary
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: subvinorosa on September 22, 2009, 01:32:30 PM
Haven't seen modern surgery being done live yet so can't say.
Will watch vids later during the day.
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: laama on September 22, 2009, 04:16:57 PM
Here they have some videos of surgery in the 1930s. It's in spoilers because it's not for family viewing, i.e. DON'T CLICK IF YOU DON'T LIKE WATCHING BITS OF BRAIN AND OTHER INSIDES BEING MESSED AROUND WITH! ER and CASUALTY DO NOT COUNT!
Is modern surgery a lot like this? Humans are fairly durable, I know this from the jump I took off a wall one metre high, but those videos looks rough!
I wanted to post a video of McCoy from Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home referring to the dark ages after hearing about the plan to open Chekov up, but Youtube let me down.
Modern surgery is also very brutal sometimes,of course except electric tools made it easier and quicker.
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: Methiah on September 23, 2009, 11:30:41 AM
I miss the leeches... sigh.
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: xtopave on September 23, 2009, 11:57:12 AM
We're lucky anesthetics have progressed. Many surgeries remain the same butchery.
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: laama on September 23, 2009, 03:53:11 PM
Before modern anesthetics they used strong alcohol,opium,heroin,etc. to pain killer and general anesthesia.
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: xtopave on September 23, 2009, 04:01:15 PM
Before modern anesthetics they used strong alcohol,opium,heroin,etc. to pain killer and general anesthesia.
And a lot of people died in the process. :(
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: chekovsulu on September 23, 2009, 04:05:46 PM
Recently, the news (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8262393.stm) has been claiming alcohol can help head injuries from getting worse. Who knows, maybe Methiah will get his leeches back :o
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: laama on September 23, 2009, 04:13:23 PM
And let's not forget there weren't any antibiotics.
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: goldshirt*9 on September 24, 2009, 12:17:11 AM
there wasnt alot of anything. alot of it was trial and error. but look where we are today
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: jacktheripper305 on September 24, 2009, 12:39:05 AM
That video was awesome. I love stuff like that, so I hope to go to med school one day.
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: Methiah on September 24, 2009, 04:37:55 AM
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Recently, the news has been claiming alcohol can help head injuries from getting worse. Who knows, maybe Methiah will get his leeches back
I doubt my dreams would come true. I've not heard this previously about head injuries and alcohol, would this be a common factor with other forms of solvent abuse? e.g. toluene. Up until now my understanding of significant beneficial effects from alcohol was limited to that it's effective against methanol poisoning.
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: chekovsulu on September 24, 2009, 11:29:05 AM
The article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8262393.stm) says "Experts believe the right dose of alcohol stops the cascade of swelling, inflammation and further destruction of brain cells, known as secondary brain injury."
This older article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6190391.stm) says:
"Often the problem that we face is that people who are intoxicated, but have only a minor head injury, can appear exactly the same as those who do have a severe injury that needs an urgent operation.
"The level of consciousness is one of the only measures of head injury severity that we have, and it is a challenge to compare the outcomes of those who have been drinking alcohol, and those who haven't.
"A patient who has been drinking may seem to have an equally severe injury to another patient because of the effects of alcohol, but make a better recovery."
I don't know if that's relevant, it just looks important.
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: Robin-Graves on September 25, 2009, 03:49:04 PM
After watching the vid, I realize I have to bone up on my torture techniques
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: tarascon on January 30, 2014, 06:40:12 AM
I miss the plague masks. Can you imagine having a violent fever and having one of these showing up at your sickroom? :o (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/shaxper/mask1_zps796c3c8f.jpg)(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/shaxper/mask2_zps4e83cba9.jpg)
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: Beatrix on January 30, 2014, 06:44:28 AM
Scary, at that. I never understood why the beak? I mean, really.
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: tarascon on January 30, 2014, 06:45:24 AM
Lets the air circulate before breathing "the death" in. ;D
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: dweez on January 30, 2014, 11:16:45 AM
Mmmmm, death.
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: goldshirt*9 on January 30, 2014, 01:28:30 PM
For toothache:
Take a candle and burn it close to the tooth. The worms that are gnawing the tooth will fall out into a cup of water held by the mouth.
Title: Re: Surgery in the olden days
Post by: xtopave on January 31, 2014, 05:17:35 PM
The mask had two small nose holes and was a type of respirator which contained aromatic items. The beak could hold dried flowers (including roses and carnations), herbs (including mint), spices, camphor or a vinegar sponge. The purpose of the mask was to keep away bad smells, which were thought to be the principal cause of the disease in the miasma theory of infection, before it was disproved by germ theory. Doctors believed the herbs would counter the "evil" smells of the plague and prevent them from becoming infected.