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Re: TV WTF
« Reply #75 on: May 01, 2024, 01:59:33 PM »
I think that a good series needs either a good source, or a good team of makers (or both, but I'm not sure that has ever occurred). And a defined ending*.

I think the primary problem with WoT is that it was written without real characters: most of the participants are cyphers designed to further the story in various ways. This makes bad TV.

GoT (or ASOIAF) is different: GRRM writes characters that are interesting, but it is dangerous to care about them, as he has a habit of killing them off. It makes for good TV, because they do stuff, and despite yourself you do care. Where GRRM stopped writing, the suits were clueless.

Dune 2 is way better than Dune 1, but between them they only cover the introduction to the Dune saga: In the first book (2 movies) the kid wins, but in the next book he becomes the monster: in the rest of the saga the author attempts (with limited success) to show how the "continual evil emperor cycle" is broken.

* this is the bit that rendered several potentially great shows into rubbish (Lost, Heroes, even X-Files - amongst thousands of others. Great ideas, great starts, sagging middles and no ending)

I'm afraid I never got to see any of those other shows.  Sounds like I shouldn't bother.  I'm still smarting from the lost hours of my life devoted to watching Earth: Final Conflict.  Now, I think it's better to catch up on my reading than risk the frustration of too much bad tv.

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« Reply #76 on: May 03, 2024, 11:34:56 AM »
That would be my recommendation. Unfortunately I get hooked by pilots and first series that appear to be good TV, with a promising hook. But nowadays I don't start watching a series - even the pilot - until Wikipedia tells me that the show has a successful conclusion.

Every now and then I'd tune into an episode of The X Files and it was universally grim.   To be honest, the Outer Limits (1960's version) was more effective as a show in a similar genre.  But my husband, who is in all other respects, a wonderful human being, just doesn't like SciFi or shows that tend toward the supernatural, so our prime time viewing is more limited, and I tend to watch this stuff alone, mostly late at night.  I never found any of the shows in your list especially compelling.  The Expanse was much more effective at introducing unexplained, or not well understood, odd remnants from a more advanced but defunct culture, but even those guys were at a loss as to how to end the books effectively.  They were well written and the series very good, but they decided to yank the plug without really finishing the books.  I guess it wasn't that much of a loss, but it was so well done that I was sad that it ended.

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« Reply #77 on: May 03, 2024, 02:36:56 PM »
I was brought up in a country where syndication was unheard of, so I only ever watch things from the start*: I don't dip in and out. In the UK, throughout my childhood, TV series were usually something like six episodes. This meant they were universally one episode "set-up", four and a half episodes of "journey", and the last half of an episode was "denouement". Nowadays the UK has followed the US lead in having a full season of 6-30 episodes ending on a cliff-hanger that will only be resolved if the series is renewed, so eventually there will be an unresolved cliffhanger (that normally has nothing to do with the series original premise, because of the twists and turns of each individual season). The X-Files is a classic of the form: it had monster of the week episodes (of varying quality) with an overarching arc that hooked viewers but never got resolved. After the first season it rapidly became "Bert & Doris investigate weird things" every week, and it lost the coherence of the story arc.

It took me a long time to break the habit of expecting the "traditional" form, but even now I still demand an ending a lá "The Fugitive" to be provided, that makes sense of the overarching story. If I don't get that, I can't abide the series (no matter how "good" the hook/ stories/ production values are.

... I watch TV independently of SWMBO (she is a soap opera addict), so fortunately I am not restricted to stuff she likes.

* the first time: thereafter I am happy to watch random episodes in any order, if I liked the show enough.

When I was in Brasil, for 3 weeks, back in the stone age, I would watch evening television in an effort to obtain some knowledge of Portuguese.  Their telenovelas were world class, and not without an element of humor.  Plus, pretty much everyone in the country watched them (O Globo is a media conglomerate that publishes a major newspaper and has the major tv network) so you could discuss developments with random strangers.  But the curious thing was that they lasted for about 3 months and then they were on to a new program.  No 50 years of As the World Turns for these guys, no!  And my mother used to keep the tv on a single channel all day, so I was treated to endless afternoons of televised dramas and related commercials for laundry soap and diapers.  But I don't really have much of a taste for them. 

That said, I can appreciate them for a few reasons:  steady employment for aspiring actors who can try to move up to something better, the utterly over the top campy plots and characters (so you know the writers were finding ways to amuse themselves aside from the regular paychecks), and the social cohesion factor -- it's something you can discuss with random supermarket clerks as the checkout aisles are populated with tabloids and magazines like Soap Opera Digest.

We have gotten accustomed to the six episode season of many BBC productions and have trouble wrapping our brains around the seemingly arbitrary decisions to discontinue otherwise brilliant television series.  My husband frequently complains about the limit of "Indian Summers" to a mere two seasons.  We would expect the BBC to be more independent of viewer reception, but maybe I misunderstand how these are funded or decisions made about which shows to produce or continue.
 
On the other hand, I think the U.S. could have been better off without emulating many of the British reality shows that we've imported and then spun off -- resulting in even more crass series.  That "Weakest Link" lady was simply cruel and without any humor whatsoever.  I partially blame you guys for the mediocre real estate developer that managed to become President mostly for being on tv and ostensibly firing people.  We sure could have done without that.

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« Reply #78 on: May 04, 2024, 09:36:48 AM »
It really surprised me that all y'all had versions of "Steptoe and Son" and "Till Death Us Do Part". I wouldn't have thought that they would have travelled at all, and I also assumed that "The Office" was too insular to be exported. I guess that's why I'm not a TV executive.

I never knew that Norman Lear based All in the Family on a British show.  Archie Bunker was super popular as was Red Foxx's Fred Sanford in Sanford and Son.  The latter was previously known for raunchy standup routines that were circulated on LP recordings, like those of Moms Mabley and other comedians.

The American Office ended up being sweet and syrupy with successful office romances and less of the biting satire that Gervais succeeded in achieving in his painfully self-effacing version.  I always found Coupling funnier than its American-based Friends -- a show that ran on far longer than necessary.  Sadly, after Richard Coyle left the show, it took a nose dive and became unwatchable.
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Re: TV WTF
« Reply #79 on: June 24, 2024, 12:50:57 PM »
My husband was channel surfing yesterday and settled on an early episode of The Love Boat on MeTV.  Good lord.  How did that ever survive a single episode?  It has a young Sonny Bono on it so that was weird.  Lame does not begin to describe this formulaic train wreck of a program.  Please let me know that you escaped having to watch this dreck in the UK.

We watched for 10 minutes and then changed the channel to some news.

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« Reply #80 on: July 05, 2024, 01:03:55 PM »
The Boys season 4 has been an absolute debauchery. I mean I knew what I was getting into, as I read the comics, but seeing it in live action is a trip.

For instance, there is a "supe" who can clone himself, but he has to be nude to do so. While fighting the boys with machine guns, they tumble through a wall into a bat mitzvah.

So it's three CIA goons in trench coats with melee weapons up against a growing number of naked men with American firearms. (The frenchman was particularly disgusted with the weapon choices)

The loveboat was clearly made for a generation that has mostly departed.

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« Reply #81 on: July 05, 2024, 03:56:20 PM »
I watched Season 1 of The Boys.  It's pretty violent, although there's a dark humor about it.  I never felt compelled to pursue it.

I have been watching Studio City, which is just fluff.  About an aging soap star.  The best part  of it is that it's broadcast in 15 minute episodes, which is about how much time I have to devote to it.  It is far from the economical but more interesting web series, like Phantom Rabbit Hit Man, The Guild, etc., in that it's pretty predictable and more like something that would have been produced in Studio City. 

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« Reply #82 on: August 14, 2024, 12:50:35 PM »
I haven’t returned for the last season of the boys.  I will when I’m ready but yeah, it is a trip to watch. 
I started watching “Dead to Me”. Because it has Kelly Bundy.  Not as riveting as I’d hoped but I do just find it soothing to see Kelly Bundy do anything at all on tv, much like Peggy. 
I watched all of Atypical on Netflix and I enjoyed the first couple seasons immensely.  Also watched all of “maid” now, since I’m a maid. 
Last night my daughter and I watched “time travelers”. :)

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« Reply #83 on: August 15, 2024, 08:48:30 AM »
Bud was in a bunch of movies I never heard of and did voice acting in some animated films.  Katie Sagal was good in Sons of Anarchy.  I haven't followed the careers of the other actors, Ed O'Neill who, having shifted from a career as a professional football player, moved from Married with Children to several movies, voice work, and a recurring role in Modern Family, a show that I never watched.  He does tv commercials, most recently Zyrtec, the allergy medicine.

Christina Applegate has had a successful career in sitcoms and movies.  She's currently struggling with Multiple Sclerosis after successful treatment for breast cancer.  Health problems are arbitrary and cruel.  She's been active in related philanthropic causes.

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« Reply #84 on: August 24, 2024, 12:54:47 AM »
Just finished Season 1 of Lioness, a South African crime drama that seems like it was made for the Lifetime channel.  God awful writing.  Heavy handed, annoying syrupy music, and predictable plots.  I hear there's a Season 2.  This is the tomacky of tv.  Terrible tasting and addictive.  I feel I can easily live without seeing another season of this dreck.  I did fast forward through the most objectionable parts but that's still several hours of my life I won't get back.

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« Reply #85 on: August 27, 2024, 07:33:21 AM »
Have a few TV series I want to watch but as yet holding back watching when I work nights