I dont know what type of people in Indiana make the majority of this but
A lot of syndicates use children to beg and have them turn over their money.
How can you tell who is who though?you can't. trust your gut when deciding on what to do, it's the thought that counts afterall.
you can't. trust your gut when deciding on what to do, it's the thought that counts afterall.
I've always wanted to see the pyramids.
Are they as awesome as they appear?
Are you suggesting we should be run by aliens instead so that they might eradicate poverty, hunger, war and such?
You must hate yourself for being outbid. :P
Now if that pyramid were made of beer bottles, the King's collection a few years back could qualify.
Had a beggar child approach me and asked for five pesos to buy food. Gave the money and watched the kid gamble it away.
A pack of smokes is like $5.00.....wouldnt that $5.00 be better used toward their goal of getting a meal or a place to sleep.
But even after knowing that, if we have something to give...we should.
This really is a tough call to make. That is one of the reasons that I started this thread. I thought maybe I was the only grouch that felt taken advantage of when it came to this group of people. I still think that I can tell when need is legitimate.......hopefully Im right.
I think the legitimate needy far outweigh professional panhandlers so you'd be unlucky to be taken as you put it. Also there is no obligation to give to these people so the deed is its own reward whether you have given to the wrong person or not.
Also there is no obligation to give to these people so the deed is its own reward whether you have given to the wrong person or not.But in my present financial situation I feel like I could be one of those people and I woulld feel taken advantage of if I were to give money to someone who turned around and got into their nice car and went home to there house that cost more than mine, You should watch some "Dateline" episodes that discuss this topic,
You know, I find it pathetic for someone to sit around and complain about thier plights and how bad thier lives are.
Life is hard, you got to make the best of every situation. If I sat around and worried about all my problems ( and trust me, I have plenty of demons) id never get anything done.
I allways tried to believe that if you dont like your situation, change it .
Life is an adventure,,live it.
You know, I find it pathetic for someone to sit around and complain about thier plights and how bad thier lives are.
Life is hard, you got to make the best of every situation. If I sat around and worried about all my problems ( and trust me, I have plenty of demons) id never get anything done.
I allways tried to believe that if you dont like your situation, change it .
Life is an adventure,,live it.
I don't think it is quite as simple as that. I was reading something once about a study of some homeless women in Los Angeles, and about how a large percentage of them show mental illnesses related to post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). If that is true to any degree, I can't see how those people could possibly change their situation?
Seek treatment and use it. All can be government funded. Up and running again repay the favor to others by working and paying taxes.
Pssstttt.....Robin, I think cz agrees with you. ;)
I don't think it is quite as simple as that. I was reading something once about a study of some homeless women in Los Angeles, and about how a large percentage of them show mental illnesses related to post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). If that is true to any degree, I can't see how those people could possibly change their situation?
I personally agree with the sentiment, but I can only really apply it to myself as I will never lay down in the face of adversity - in fact I actually quite enjoy it.
I do have my moments, believe it or not.
I hate these people that sit around and complain that they cant get anything done and how they are addicted to something and that stops them.
I for one am, and will allways be a cocain addict. No, I dont use anymore ( Been clean since 1991) but I beat the addiction, and if I can, anyone can.
Ive been homeless, been broke, and been pretty much suicidal. I have been so low, that I actualy had the barell of a gun in my mouth with my finger on the trigger. I stopped myself when I realized that if I did go through with it, the bastards win.
If I can pull myself up from being broke, homeless and about to commit suicide, anyone with half a mind can make thier situation better.
Since then Ive been pretty succesfull at almost every business venture ive been involved in.
Being broke isnt a handicap, and being an addict isnt a desiese, its just another hurdle you have to get over to get to your goals in life.
Without adversity we dont grow.
And believe me, Ive seen adversity in my life. What doesnt kill you makes you stronger.
QFTMFT!!
AMEN Brother!
I do have my moments, believe it or not.
I hate these people that sit around and complain that they cant get anything done and how they are addicted to something and that stops them.
I for one am, and will allways be a cocain addict. No, I dont use anymore ( Been clean since 1991) but I beat the addiction, and if I can, anyone can.
Ive been homeless, been broke, and been pretty much suicidal. I have been so low, that I actualy had the barell of a gun in my mouth with my finger on the trigger. I stopped myself when I realized that if I did go through with it, the bastards win.
If I can pull myself up from being broke, homeless and about to commit suicide, anyone with half a mind can make thier situation better.
Since then Ive been pretty succesfull at almost every business venture ive been involved in.
Being broke isnt a handicap, and being an addict isnt a desiese, its just another hurdle you have to get over to get to your goals in life.
Without adversity we dont grow.
And believe me, Ive seen adversity in my life. What doesnt kill you makes you stronger.
On this note:
Invictus
OUT of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance 5
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade, 10
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate: 15
I am the captain of my soul.
Back on topic or feel my...wraith.
To further elaborate:[/spoiler]
hmed, how is this related to literature? ;D
Dude, go to LA,,hire union musicians, and market it through Walmart. Youll make millions!
Better yet, get Miley Cyrus to do it for you!
Sound like a plan. And if all else fails, I can always walk around in disguise. What? Don't think I can do it? Clark Kent pulls it off real well with those glasses. Maybe I can do the same with a new hat or something. :D
*grabs the yellow pages*
Of course youll have to compete with Dwayne Johnson's mother lmao. ( see other thread)
No, but if you cant be helped medicinally, institutionalization is recommended.Ronald Regan pulled the plug on most government funding that paid for the housing of those in mental health institutes when he was in office. He pretty much kicked all the nuts out of the nut house. My house was near a large mental institute and I remember that year well because there were lots of poor lost people wandering the streets near the institute for months. Then the state started up halfway houses for them. Now with California being so far in debt, they are closing up all the free mental health clinics. I'm lucky, I have insurance that pays most of the cost of my meds. With insurance I pay around $50.00 every three months. With out insurance my meds would cost me well over a thousand a month. I don't know what people who need these meds do with out insurance or how they manage.
I read in the papers about a month or so ago, that this has now become a phenomenon here with professional pan-handlers raking in over ?60,000 a year tax free. I was almost tempted...
:-\
In any case, that's not right. I don't think anybody is entitled to judge. Maybe she really did need the money, and for all those that wouldn't see it the same way, well they can always just walk away instead of starting up a fiasco.
Nowadays, somebody has to actually do something for me to give them money.
Yes but those laydeez like to be paid in advance.
I do actually give money to street performers.
Thats cool,, most make it out that theyre hungry or trying to make it home.
Today, at the train station, I saw a group of the ladies that beg for money getting off the train. I recognised two of them because one of them knocked on my door once and the other one promised to pray for me.
It was really weird, because I've always assumed they lived in my town. I didn't know if I should say hello.
You can make it rain on the homeless!!
If you read this thread from the beginning you can see the desensification of the world in these pages. I dont know how to move beyond it. Very honestly. Part of me wonders how I can be so cold and calluous and scream "why have we come to this!" But the rational (?) side sees the manipulation and lying and resents it. Hhhhmmm......very confusing to me.
For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.
Well, if it's any consolation, this desensitization has been going on for a long time. Even Jesus kinda sloughed off the poor
I'm think this is one of the only times Jesus is an outright richard in the Bible.
I'm think this is one of the only times Jesus is an outright richard in the Bible.
He's real patronising on the cross as well.
Luke 23:34
"Father, forgive them for they do not know what they are doing"
^is that a legit verse?
U guise can givs stuf to homless kittehs wenevr u wants. bt u guise wont hav meh furevah.
Here it is in lolcat
:D :D :D
Dude, if I was christian, you guys would be offending the hell out of me right now. Makes me worry there might be Christian members here. :-\
Dude, if I was christian, you guys would be offending the hell out of me right now. Makes me worry there might be Christian members here. :-\
Dude, if I was christian, you guys would be offending the hell out of me right now. Makes me worry there might be Christian members here. :-\
I am not religiously inclined that much anymore, but I still practise the clause of "turning the other cheek".
Offended? Im thinking not. If you believe something to be true, accurate, part of your heart then you will let people believe what they want and just hope that in the future they will seek out your truth.
FYI, Dad's a minister and he taught us to believe what's in your heart not what people try to shove down your throat. Also, I am not religious in anyway. Spirtiual "Yes" but not religious. Which is one of the reasons that this concerns me. Or should I say, "I question myself on this topic"
True, and an equally good approach. However, there's only so many times you can turn your head before your neck starts to get stiff.
If you read this thread from the beginning you can see the desensification of the world in these pages. I dont know how to move beyond it. Very honestly. Part of me wonders how I can be so cold and calluous and scream "why have we come to this!" But the rational (?) side sees the manipulation and lying and resents it. Hhhhmmm......very confusing to me.
Wasn't Jesus a prophet in the in the Qur'an? And I have heard that many Hindus believe he actually followed their teachings so you could easily offend much of the planet by deriding him.
OC1, thank you. That brought tears to my eyes.
I was more referring to the fact that he was being mocked in relation to the bible, and the biblical versus that were associated with
something as meaningless as lolspeak and how that many come off as rude or daring.
Although you may be right Hmed, I think lolspeaking him is just a modern day version of Python.
Where did this new path start on the thread?..
I think it segued from the meek inheriting the earth or something.
Fat chance of that happening.
In order to not risk offending you, I will not link to the lolkoran :)
Although you may be right Hmed, I think lolspeaking him is just a modern day version of Python.
The aliens are our salvation.
Damn! now I just sound like Louis Farrakhan :-\
You're right, they could never afford legal representation.
???
Part of me thinks we're an experiment by the Aliens,to see how and what we'd do.
We've bent up LARGE!
Well at least that?s good. That means we?re all equally cattle :D
Monty Python.. Life of Brian
Basically all generations have there own way to vent on certain concepts. LOLz anything is just an upgrade of an already done idea.
..plus.. I've somewhat lost how we got onto this drift..
Got this email that I would normally delete before even reading but it made me think of this thread.
Breakfast at McDonald's
I am a mother of three (ages 14, 12, 3) and have recently completed my college degree. The last class I had to take was Sociology. The teacher was absolutely inspiring with the qualities that I wish every human being had bee n graced with. Her last project of the term was called, 'Smile.' The class was asked to go out and smile at three people and document their reactions. I am a very friendly person and always smile at everyone and say hello anyway. So, I thought this would be a piece of cake, literally.
Soon after we were assigned the project, my husband, youngest son, and I went out to McDonald's one crisp March morning. It was just our way of sharing special playtime with our son. We were standing in line, waiting to be served, when all of a sudden everyone around us began to back away, and then even my husband did. I did not move an inch.... an overwhelming feeling of panic welled up inside of me as I turned to see why they had moved. As I turned around I smelled a horrible 'dirty body' smell, and there standing behind me were two poor homeless men. As I looked down at the short gentleman, close to me, he was 'smiling' His beautiful sky blue eyes were full of God's Light as he searched for acceptance..
He said, 'Good day' as he counted the few coins he had been clutching. The second man fumbled with his hands as he stood behind his friend. I realized the second man was mentally challenged and the blue-eyed gentleman was his salvation. I held my tears as I stood there with them. The young lady at the counter asked him what they wanted. He said, 'Coffee is all Miss' because that was all they could afford. (If they wanted to sit in the restaurant and warm up, they had to buy something. He just wanted to be warm). Then I really felt it - the compulsion was so great I almost reached out and embraced the little man with the blue eyes. That is when I noticed all eyes in the restaurant were set on me, judging my every action.
I smiled and asked the young lady behind the counter to give me two more breakfast meals on a separate tray. I then walked around the corner to the table that the men had chosen as a resting spot. I put the tray on the table and laid my hand on the blue-eyed gentleman's cold hand. He looked up at me, with tears in his eyes, and said, 'Thank you.' I leaned over, began to pat his hand and said, 'I did not do this for you.. God is here working through me to give you hope.' I started to cry as I walked away to join my husband and son. When I sat down my husband smiled at me and said, 'That is why God gave you to me, Honey, to give me hope..' We held hands for a moment and at that time, we knew that only because of the Grace that we had been given were we able to give. We are not church goers, but we are believers.. That day showed me the pure Light of God's sweet love I returned to college, on the last evening of class, with this story in hand. I turned in 'my project' and the instructor read it.
Then she looked up at me and said, 'Can I share this?' I slowly nodded as she got the attention of the class She began to read and that is when I knew that we as human beings and being part of God share this need to heal people and to be healed. In my own way I had touched the people at McDonald's, my son,the instructor, and every soul that shared the classroom on the last night I spent as a college student.
I graduated with one of the biggest lessons I would ever learn:
UNCONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE.
LOVE PEOPLE AND USE THINGS -
NOT LOVE THINGS AND USE PEOPLE.
An Angel wrote:
Many people will walk in and out of your life, but only true friends will leave footprints in your heart
To handle yourself, use your head..
To handle others, use your heart.
God Gives every bird it's food, but He does not throw it into its nest.
This is so hokey, but I cant help remembering when touching things like this were regarded as careing and tasteful. ???
Somewhere in the interim of discussing desensification. I can see how religion plays into that.....not for me but for the masses so to speak.
Only if we're intent to drive the discussion that way. And post examples that show it. We could do the same for government.. or lots of entities that hold power and control. I just felt like the shift was a little abrupt.
Religion and the poor is a huge topic, and dates back to the beginings of recorded history, and one that should probably have its own thread, because it will drown this discussion. There's too many side paths it could take.
I don't see how religion needs to play into why or how someone is selfless, or has empathy. So I was just wondering how we started steering sharply in that direction.
Maybe if people understand one thing, that the reason they have so much is because others have so little, maybe we would all be better off.
28One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"
29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' 31The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."
That's it...I'm out. ;D
Sorry,, everyone else was doing it lmao
Hmmm,,,methinks he is speacheless,,,( MARK THE CALANDAR BOYS AND GIRLS!!!!) lmaoNot so fast,I think that bananaman planning his revenge.