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Title: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: davidsolomon83 on May 30, 2009, 12:12:15 AM
Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem


 A 16-year-old Iraqi immigrant living in Sweden has cracked a maths puzzle that has stumped experts for more than 300 years, Swedish media reported on Thursday.

In just four months, Mohamed Altoumaimi has found a formula to explain and simplify the so-called Bernoulli numbers, a sequence of calculations named after the 17th century Swiss mathematician Jacob Bernoulli, the Dagens Nyheter daily said.

Altoumaimi, who came to Sweden six years ago, said teachers at his high school in Falun, central Sweden were not convinced about his work at first.

"When I first showed it to my teachers, none of them thought the formula I had written down really worked," Altoumaimi told the Falu Kuriren newspaper.

He then got in touch with professors at Uppsala University, one of Sweden's top institutions, to ask them to check his work.

After going through his notebooks, the professors found his work was indeed correct and offered him a place in Uppsala.

But for now, Altoumaimi is focusing on his school studies and plans to take summer classes in advanced mathematics and physics this year.

"I wanted to be a researcher in physics or mathematics; I really like those subjects. But I have to improve in English and social sciences," he told the Falu Kuriren.



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Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: laama on May 30, 2009, 04:56:00 PM
Interesting,any links?
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: hmed2390 on May 30, 2009, 05:45:33 PM
That is very interesting  and I like his persistence. Had he listened to the naive teachers he originally approached, he would have not achieved what he had wanted to. It just goes to show that everyone no matter what age can be right or wrong. Something a lot of the older generations tend to forget.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: davidsolomon83 on May 30, 2009, 11:33:32 PM
I have posted the links  :)
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: pandorasquest on May 31, 2009, 01:11:29 AM
awesome   :)
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: smokester on May 31, 2009, 10:46:18 AM
Is this going to be confirmed by June the 6th or something?  If you wiki the guy it redirects to Bernoulli, but there is no mention Altoumaimi on the page, only that it is uneditable until June 6?  I wonder just how many people have to confirm the findings until it is truly "confirmed"?
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: subvinorosa on May 31, 2009, 11:53:39 AM
A lot maybe.

No one wants to be outsmarted by a teen.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: Robin-Graves on June 02, 2009, 08:49:24 PM
I solved the Rubics Cube as a teen., and three times as an adult.
People say its bs but I did it all withing a day each time.
If that matters lol.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: davidsolomon83 on June 02, 2009, 11:25:01 PM
^ I think it matters, you are waaay brilliant than me, I've never understood how the damn thing workx?  :-\  :D
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: smokester on June 03, 2009, 02:38:48 AM
I solved the Rubics Cube as a teen., and three times as an adult.
People say its bs but I did it all withing a day each time.
If that matters lol.

My fastest time with the cube was just under 2 minutes, and 2 of the moves I invented myself (although someone had probably fallen upon them before me somewhere).  I still do it today and take about 4 minutes at a nice leisurely pace.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: dweez on June 03, 2009, 06:23:30 AM
The only time I ever solved a Rubix Cube was by total luck.  i usually ended up popping the blocks off and putting it back together "solved".  I think it's my slight ADD that gets me.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: davidsolomon83 on June 03, 2009, 08:13:14 AM
I think it's my slight ADD that gets me.

 :D , Nice !
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: hmed2390 on June 03, 2009, 02:31:31 PM
:D
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: subvinorosa on June 03, 2009, 03:22:36 PM
I could never solve the Cube, lacked the patience.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: laama on June 03, 2009, 04:44:48 PM
I wish I have even part of this immigrant math skills.  :-X
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: Robin-Graves on June 07, 2009, 02:37:06 PM
My fastest time with the cube was just under 2 minutes, and 2 of the moves I invented myself (although someone had probably fallen upon them before me somewhere).  I still do it today and take about 4 minutes at a nice leisurely pace.

I usualy did it while discussing occult philosphy with a group of pagans I talk to once in a while.
It helped me think.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: Discover99 on June 07, 2009, 02:49:05 PM
wow that's amazing, i love to hear these kind of storys, and that he wants to work on his social skills at the age of 13 is just so cute and geeky isn't it?

  i usually ended up popping the blocks off and putting it back together "solved". 
same here, i never solved it

I usualy did it while discussing occult philosophy with a group of pagans I talk to once in a while.
It helped me think.
this just made me lol what kind of stuff were you talking about, the edda? i've never met any pagans in real life, must be interesting. i think there are very different kind of pagans out there


Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: jacktheripper305 on June 07, 2009, 11:30:15 PM
Awesome. Good for him, I'd be interested to know how he did it. Even if it is beyond my understanding.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: Robin-Graves on June 07, 2009, 11:33:29 PM
wow that's amazing, i love to hear these kind of storys, and that he wants to work on his social skills at the age of 13 is just so cute and geeky isn't it?
same here, i never solved it
this just made me lol what kind of stuff were you talking about, the edda? i've never met any pagans in real life, must be interesting. i think there are very different kind of pagans out there




Basicaly Strega,, theyre good folks.
Im pretty close freinds with a couple of them.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: Discover99 on June 08, 2009, 09:37:37 AM
^ weird can't seem to find any information on them
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: davidsolomon83 on June 08, 2009, 09:48:27 AM
^ Hey Disco  :) maybe this will help:

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I think Rob means this, more or less  ???
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: knownassociate on June 08, 2009, 10:58:58 AM
I pointed this thread out to my young hooligan. He is, as many of you know, very gifted. At 12 (this year) during one of our myriad meetings, the teachers/ staff and assorted reps. from agencies I've involved seeking an appropriate education, admitted being at a loss on how or what to do with him. They don't like the fact he skipped several years of school and is now in high school at 12. We were informed they know if they were to put the high school equivalency exams in front of him, he would ace them. But 16 is the minimum age he can take them. Anyway, he figured out a method that cuts two steps off of the accepted and long-used way of solving certain Geometry/Alg./Trig. He was marked incorrect because he didn't use the standard theorem, even tho' his answers were correct and it worked every time. He does most math in his head, while others are using graph. calcs.

Kids are scary smart these days, but instead of being encouraged, teachers focus
their efforts on forcing the kids to just do things in a certain prescribed manner, squashing their creativity. It is so good to hear one found his way to people who were willing to listen!
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: hmed2390 on June 08, 2009, 02:22:31 PM
Wow, very smart kid, you must be extremely proud. :)

Kids are scary smart these days, but instead of being encouraged, teachers focus
their efforts on forcing the kids to just do things in a certain prescribed manner, squashing their creativity. It is so good to hear one found his way to people who were willing to listen!

I agree 100%.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: knownassociate on June 09, 2009, 04:20:57 PM
I like him :P It is just exhausting, emotionally, intellectually and physically, raising a kid like him. I suppose it would be easier with a family support system to fall back on. But he is non-stop entertainment! ;D
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: Robin-Graves on June 10, 2009, 04:22:01 PM
Forget it if your a kid and you want to learn anything. It seems ( after talking to my sons teachers over the years) that if a kid thinks " outside the box" they get dosed up with ridalin.
 God forbid a kid has any aspirations to do anything significant with theyr lives.
Did you know that in the US the schools arent alowed to teach the US Constitution anymore?
Yep,, sad but true.
I guess if we dont know our rights, we cant fight back against the conformists.
I remember when going to college meant that you were tought to think for yourselves. but unfortunately, that lead to people actualy making informed decisions about important things that involved their lives.l
Cant have that now, can we?
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: hmed2390 on June 10, 2009, 04:45:52 PM
Did you know that in the US the schools arent alowed to teach the US Constitution anymore?

I can never understand that one. It's bless'ed ridiculous.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: Robin-Graves on June 10, 2009, 04:47:44 PM
Yeah, tell me about it. I had to learn it in 10th grade word for word.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: hmed2390 on June 10, 2009, 04:51:55 PM
ha, and to those that DO decide to further educate themselves are branded as extremists,terrorists, or accused of forming some sort of secrecy against the government. bless'ed twisted man. Love my country, hate those holding the reins though.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: Robin-Graves on June 10, 2009, 05:03:52 PM
Like I always said. I love my country, but im scared to death of its leaders.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: knownassociate on June 11, 2009, 01:45:58 AM
I've always made sure that the young hooligan has the tools to learn, as I could. I taught him some basic Latin early on so he could have a better grasp on vocabulary. The parts of history not taught in school. Being Native American, he has learned much from the stories passed down that touch many facets of life. Math, he has just always known that. We did a lot of American government homeschooling. The high school he attends one must qualify to attend. It is a small, privately funded,and has a unique technology based curriculum.  But the first things cut from each yearly budget is monies to libraries, schools, gifted and special ed, and health care.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: Robin-Graves on June 11, 2009, 05:50:48 PM
Yeah, libraries,, God forbid a kid knows how to read. Bet they didnt cut sports though.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: knownassociate on June 12, 2009, 01:08:48 AM
Ummmm, don't know about the professional, but yes the elementary and secondary schools sports funding was trimmed...but nothing like the butchery that the music and arts suffered.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: Discover99 on June 12, 2009, 06:48:12 AM
listening to you guys talking about the us scares me deeply, one reason: europe tends to copy trends coming from the us
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: knownassociate on June 12, 2009, 03:14:15 PM
It is not all bad here. But some of the problems are huge. With some of the legislation in the last few years we have suffered the loss or infringement of our personal freedoms and power to make our own decisions. Our voting system is a joke. Wars are declared, lives lost, lies told by a government with a hidden agenda powered by greed.  The people have accepted the slop fed them by the news media, seldom questioning or looking outside of the US to see if there might be more going on than is let on. Those who question loudly enough are discredited or finally just burn out and give up.

Had I not traveled outside of the US and seen first hand the people and how in actual fact, we are not the land of the free. :'(
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: Robin-Graves on June 12, 2009, 05:24:48 PM
Due to the Patriot Act if you question too much, your concidered a domestic terrorist.
Did you know that if you due civic work in the US that your a domestic Terrorist? If you are a patriot and want good things for the country your put on a list of possible terrorists?
 You can thank Mr. Bush for that.
We The People doesnt exist anymore.
BTW,, several people involved in the Tea Parties are being looked at, about 60 have been audited by the IRS and others have been hassled by federal authorities.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: hmed2390 on June 12, 2009, 05:38:44 PM
I've always made sure that the young hooligan has the tools to learn, as I could. I taught him some basic Latin early on so he could have a better grasp on vocabulary. The parts of history not taught in school. Being Native American, he has learned much from the stories passed down that touch many facets of life. Math, he has just always known that. We did a lot of American government homeschooling. The high school he attends one must qualify to attend. It is a small, privately funded,and has a unique technology based curriculum.  But the first things cut from each yearly budget is monies to libraries, schools, gifted and special ed, and health care.

Wow, I really admire you KA. That's great what you're doing. Keep up the awesome mentoring.  ;) :)

It is not all bad here. But some of the problems are huge. With some of the legislation in the last few years we have suffered the loss or infringement of our personal freedoms and power to make our own decisions. Our voting system is a joke. Wars are declared, lives lost, lies told by a government with a hidden agenda powered by greed.  The people have accepted the slop fed them by the news media, seldom questioning or looking outside of the US to see if there might be more going on than is let on. Those who question loudly enough are discredited or finally just burn out and give up.

Had I not traveled outside of the US and seen first hand the people and how in actual fact, we are not the land of the free. :'(
Due to the Patriot Act if you question too much, your concidered a domestic terrorist.
Did you know that if you due civic work in the US that your a domestic Terrorist? If you are a patriot and want good things for the country your put on a list of possible terrorists?
 You can thank Mr. Bush for that.
We The People doesnt exist anymore.
BTW,, several people involved in the Tea Parties are being looked at, about 60 have been audited by the IRS and others have been hassled by federal authorities.


You both summed it up perfectly. Sadly, but that's how screwed we really are now.
Land of the free my ass. They're pretty much telling us we have the freedom to do anything we want as long as they overlook it and give us the ok. Takes the "free" out out freedom.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: Robin-Graves on June 12, 2009, 05:56:51 PM
I guess all the things Dave Mustane from Megadeth said back in the 80s is true
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: Discover99 on June 13, 2009, 06:52:02 PM
It is not all bad here. But some of the problems are huge. With some of the legislation in the last few years we have suffered the loss or infringement of our personal freedoms and power to make our own decisions. Our voting system is a joke. Wars are declared, lives lost, lies told by a government with a hidden agenda powered by greed.  The people have accepted the slop fed them by the news media, seldom questioning or looking outside of the US to see if there might be more going on than is let on. Those who question loudly enough are discredited or finally just burn out and give up.

Had I not traveled outside of the US and seen first hand the people and how in actual fact, we are not the land of the free. :'(
Due to the Patriot Act if you question too much, your concidered a domestic terrorist.
Did you know that if you due civic work in the US that your a domestic Terrorist? If you are a patriot and want good things for the country your put on a list of possible terrorists?
 You can thank Mr. Bush for that.
We The People doesnt exist anymore.
BTW,, several people involved in the Tea Parties are being looked at, about 60 have been audited by the IRS and others have been hassled by federal authorities.


 it's really scary - what do you mean by tea parties robin?
i hope that europe will develop its own way to handle things away from the us politics
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: knownassociate on June 14, 2009, 09:38:25 AM
Or, as I used to say of myself a long time ago, to be viewed as what not to do.

But as I said, it isn't all bad and scary.There are a lot of beautiful and unique places. <The same can be said about the people. :D Not all Americans are like the picture commonlly associated with the phrase,  'typical American tourist'.  ;) I think many people in the US were unaware of the true circumstances the economy, the depths of the deceit practiced by our leaders, or how little Constitution is  supported, and are shaken.
Title: Re: Iraqi Immigrant Teen Solves 300 year old Math Problem
Post by: Robin-Graves on June 14, 2009, 07:47:35 PM
it's really scary - what do you mean by tea parties robin?
i hope that europe will develop its own way to handle things away from the us politics

We had a nationwide tea party ( Taxed Enough Allready) back in April.
Several thousands of people got together accross the nation to protest our leaders " Tax and Spend" ideas .
There are more being scheduled for later this year.