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General Category => TV / Movies => Topic started by: Geemonster on October 09, 2009, 03:21:23 PM

Title: Vampire fad
Post by: Geemonster on October 09, 2009, 03:21:23 PM
Who here actually like the Vampire shows on TV at the mo?
  Personally they're all formulaic crap in my opinion.
The only thing i've liked Vampire related was a film called 30 Days Of Night.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Skadi on October 09, 2009, 03:47:18 PM
I read a ton in life. And I'll read books with paranormal characters in them. But in general most movies and tv shows mess up decent writing. So... I'd rather read then watch.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: mishca09 on October 09, 2009, 10:52:30 PM
i like true blood and i was  a hugh buffy fan and angel fan. but once those shows called it quits, I haven't watched a vampire show since.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 10, 2009, 10:16:18 AM
I remember the Anne Rice fad back in the late 90s.
The movies were crap, and the books should have ended with Queen of The damned.
Im a huge zombie movie fan, but now that they are going mainstream, I expect them to start to suck hard.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Geemonster on October 10, 2009, 11:07:47 AM
I loved George A Romero's Dawn and Day Of The Dead.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: redlandslide on October 10, 2009, 03:17:28 PM
Not forgetting Night of the Living Dead (original), often overlooked because of its lack of gore, but creepy nonetheless.

Worst zombie film of all time is Oasis of the Zombies. You thought normal zombies were evil? This one had Nazi zombies?
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Geemonster on October 10, 2009, 06:03:36 PM
Not forgetting Night of the Living Dead (original), often overlooked because of its lack of gore, but creepy nonetheless.

Worst zombie film of all time is Oasis of the Zombies. You thought normal zombies were evil? This one had Nazi zombies?

Sounds awful.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 10, 2009, 06:47:34 PM
Not forgetting Night of the Living Dead (original), often overlooked because of its lack of gore, but creepy nonetheless.

Worst zombie film of all time is Oasis of the Zombies. You thought normal zombies were evil? This one had Nazi zombies?

Or land of the Dead or Diary of the Dead.
The new one is comming out soon.
Romero has a book deal to do a novel called The Living Dead which is a prequel to the entire series that explains how they came about.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: chekovsulu on October 11, 2009, 06:59:55 AM
Sounds awful awesome.
Fixt

I'm going to look it up now.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 11, 2009, 09:07:30 AM
A realy bad one is Children Of the Living Dead,, it SUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: chekovsulu on October 11, 2009, 09:24:37 AM
Zombies can have babies! :o

Must see this one too!
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 11, 2009, 07:08:40 PM
Happened in the Dawn Of The Dead remake.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Geemonster on October 12, 2009, 05:36:58 AM
Happened in the Dawn Of The Dead remake.

I normally hate remakes!
That sounds awful having babies,all they care about is eating flesh.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: ohcheap1 on October 12, 2009, 06:37:20 AM
That sounds awful having babies,all they care about is eating flesh.

I dont know...........It was a precident setting scene. New born baby gets gunned down! Never seen before. (Our maybe it was stabbed?) Saw the movie and it was worth it just for that scene. Love to see that button pushed.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 12, 2009, 08:53:51 AM
It was shot,, I have the movie memorized.

Actualy,, the filming of the movie changed slightly over the course of the movie to simulate the bleak nature of the situation and the adrenaline the people felt as they raced to the marina from the mall.
Very good imagery.

The movie itself made cinimatic history.

I read last night that they are going to remake Hellraiser and Clive Barker wants nothing to do with it.
Im a little up in the air about that one since the first was soooo good.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: JackFrost on October 12, 2009, 09:25:41 AM
Romero has a book deal to do a novel called The Living Dead which is a prequel to the entire series that explains how they came about.

There are actually already two story anthologies where all of the tales are set in the Romeroverse.

Book of the Dead and the sequel Still Dead, both edited by Splatterpunk heavyweights John Skipp and Craig Spector. Romero and Savini provide a forward to each book respectively.

Most of the stories in Book of the Dead deal with the night the events begin. But the story by Stephen King tries to give background to what occurred just before the outbreak.

Other writers of note include Ramsey Campell, Phillip Nutman, Joe Lansdale, David Schow and Robert McCammon.

I can't remember which story it is or who wrote it, but there's a particularly good tale of a serial killer who takes his latest catch to his favorite killing spot on the night the dead rise - you can probably see where the story is going, eh?  ;)

Anyway, just to get back on topic - vampires are lame, and the shows they're running right now are not helping that issue.  :D
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Geemonster on October 12, 2009, 09:55:25 AM


Anyway, just to get back on topic - vampires are lame, and the shows they're running right now are not helping that issue.  :D

Dead right!
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 12, 2009, 05:50:10 PM
Bad thing is, all the lame ones with low budgets make the good ones look bad.

They were going to make a Necroscope movie ( Brian Lumely's vampires were so original) but the entire fad killed the idea since everyone wants to romantic gothic Anne Rice bs or the Twilight emo crap.
 Even Poppy Z Bright didnt help any with her garbage.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Geemonster on October 12, 2009, 06:34:01 PM
I liked 30 Days Of Night,it had atmosphere,the Vampires had their own dialect,well acted.
  I was in the house on my own 1st time i saw it,to be honest i was a little jittery afterward. ;D
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: ohcheap1 on October 12, 2009, 07:20:21 PM
I dont want to slam you Gee but honestly I thought that movie was a huge waste of film. Of course horror is my favorite film genre so maybe Im alittle more critical. Who knows?
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: dweez on October 12, 2009, 07:59:01 PM
I like Once Bitten.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: JackFrost on October 12, 2009, 10:21:40 PM
Well, The Lost Boys is pretty cool... :-\
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: smokester on October 13, 2009, 03:02:50 AM
Not forgetting Night of the Living Dead (original), often overlooked because of its lack of gore, but creepy nonetheless.

Not sure of the lack of gore thing as that was real cow offal used for effect.  Either way it is my fav "Zombie" film.

As for the vamp stuff, I tried 3 times to watch the pilot of 'True Blood' but failed.  I thought it was so awful that even if it got better in later episodes, I still could never hold it in much regard have abandonned it completely.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Geemonster on October 13, 2009, 03:09:26 AM
I dont want to slam you Gee but honestly I thought that movie was a huge waste of film. Of course horror is my favorite film genre so maybe Im alittle more critical. Who knows?

To each their own OC1. :)
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 13, 2009, 09:09:25 AM
I dont want to slam you Gee but honestly I thought that movie was a huge waste of film. Of course horror is my favorite film genre so maybe Im alittle more critical. Who knows?

What it was is that it was an addaption of a commic book series.
The later issues were alot better. They did a sequel to the original graphic novel that was kinda better.
The webisodes of the prequel explained what was going on  better, and made the movie more frightening because you knew that this was just a small band of vampires that were " testing the waters" for the rest.
And you find out that they are VERY organized and have internet sites that they talk on.
The movie left some parts hanging in the wind. But im one of those wierdos that loves movie adaptions of comics. so im a little biased.
Although, the vamps in 30 Days were pretty original, they werent that gothic romantic crap thats being shoved down our throats all the time ( Twilight, Intervew and Queen of the Damned).
They had thier own language, and they werent all from the same tribe so to speak.
They were truly horrific creatures.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: JackFrost on October 13, 2009, 09:34:18 AM
Speaking of vampires in comic books, my favorite has to be Cassidy from Preacher.

He acts nothing like any vampire I've encountered before or since, largely sticking to be a drunken, bare-knuckled Scot who acts like he's the biggest swinging richard in whatever place he's in.

In a special one-shot issue that centers around Cassidy, he actually meets another Vampire who is essentially Lestat, complete with all the gothic-y melodrama that makes vampires as lame as they are.

Finding this guy to be a ponce on top of the rest of it, Cassidy ends up nailing him to a roof and waiting for the sun to rise.

 :D
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Geemonster on October 13, 2009, 09:43:16 AM
The language sounded a little like Syrian Aramaic.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 13, 2009, 05:01:44 PM
Speaking of vampires in comic books, my favorite has to be Cassidy from Preacher.

He acts nothing like any vampire I've encountered before or since, largely sticking to be a drunken, bare-knuckled Scot who acts like he's the biggest swinging richard in whatever place he's in.

In a special one-shot issue that centers around Cassidy, he actually meets another Vampire who is essentially Lestat, complete with all the gothic-y melodrama that makes vampires as lame as they are.

Finding this guy to be a ponce on top of the rest of it, Cassidy ends up nailing him to a roof and waiting for the sun to rise.

 :D

Cassidy was the shiznit
 I heard that they were going to make a movie based on Preacher.
As far as vamps go,, Cassidy was aboutt the best mainstream vamp ive seen in a long time.I think he displayed more humanity than most humans did at times.
 Some of the vamps in the Blade movies were cool,, but that was before vamps went mainstream. I liked the whole counter culture underground thing.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: JackFrost on October 13, 2009, 10:49:57 PM
Cassidy was the shiznit

Indeed. Since I know that his creator, Garth Ennis, also despises the gothic vampire, he was designed to be a vampire-haters vampire. If that makes sense...  ;)

I heard that they were going to make a movie based on Preacher.

The last I'd heard they were trying to option it as a cable series, hopefully for HBO or Showtime. But it's still a very heavy concept,

Spoiler (hover to show)

with a lot of horrible characters that do horrendous things. And that still doesn't prepare anyone for Arseface... ;) :D So it's a tough book to translate I think.

As far as vamps go,, Cassidy was aboutt the best mainstream vamp ive seen in a long time.I think he displayed more humanity than most humans did at times.

That still didn't stop Jesse from despising him when he found out what Cassidy actually is...  :D

Some of the vamps in the Blade movies were cool,, but that was before vamps went mainstream. I liked the whole counter culture underground thing.

Those flicks have a very high Wesley Snipes factor in addition to the vampire stuff that keeps me away. And doesn't the first one have Stephen Dorff in it, too? He sucks in everything but The Gate (one of you guys has got to remember that movie ;) :D :P).

And after Lost Boys, I kinda gotta throw in Near Dark, too. It gets a little cheesy, but if for nothing else, seeing several of the crew from Aliens work together again was cool. And the scene where Bill Paxton is walking on the bar, slicing people's throats with his spurs is pretty awesome. Good times...
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Skadi on October 14, 2009, 07:00:12 AM
Bill Paxton is almost always a good scene stealer :D His lines in Aliens were great. I use 'Why don't you put her in charge?' in real life all the time :)
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: chekovsulu on October 15, 2009, 12:44:53 PM
He's partially the reason I enjoy the film so much :D

I thought this was relevant:
Quote from: http://www.esquire.com/features/thousand-words-on-culture/vampires-gay-men-1109
What's Really Going on With All These Vampires?
From Twilight to True Blood and now The Vampire Diaries, is it vampires that so many American women love... or just gay men?
(http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/new-moon-movie-poster-1109-lg-36490948.jpg)

Forget everything you've read about vampires so far. The current bloodsucking trend, achieving maximum ferocity in November with the release of the sequel to Twilight, isn't about outsiders or immigrants or religion or even AIDS, as critics and bloggers have argued ad nauseam these past few months. There's a much better, simpler, more obvious explanation: Vampires have overwhelmed pop culture because young straight women want to have sex with gay men. Not all young straight women, of course, but many, if not most, of them. Neil Gaiman, sci-fi novelist and geek grandmaster, found out just how many during the shitstorm of pique that covered him from head to toe this past summer after he suggested in an interview (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20301186,00.html) that the vampire craze had run its course and should disappear for another twenty to twenty-five years. (Twilight fans took to Twitter in protest (http://twitter.com/#search?q=new%20moon).) A foolish hope. The craving for vampire fiction is not a matter of taste but of urges; one does not read or watch it so much as inject it through the eyes, and like any epidemic, it's symptomatic of something much larger: a quiet but profound sexual revolution and a new acceptance of freakiness in mainstream American life.

Vampires have always stalked the cultural landscape at moments of carnal crisis. The seminal short story "The Vampyre (http://books.google.com/books?id=ZMsBAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false)," written in 1819 by John Polidori, was based on his fascination with Lord Byron, the icon of Romantic sexual liberation and danger. The frisson of deviance was there right from the start: Nobody really knows what happened between Byron and Polidori, but both of their memoirs were destroyed for the sake of propriety. (Byron, a few whispered, had even slept with his sister.) Bram Stoker's masterpiece, Dracula, appeared right in the middle of what historians call the Great Binge, a period in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries when cocaine and heroin use ran rampant, and the poster for the novel's first-ever movie adaptation (http://www.draculas.info/_img/gallery/dracula_movie_poster_17.jpg) promised "the strangest passion the world has ever known!" More recently, a small boom in vampire movies (The Hunger, The Lost Boys) coincided exactly with the rise of AIDS, their vampires intelligent and glamorous and doomed.

All these earlier iterations of the theme are not at all like vampire fiction today. Our vampires are normal. They're not Goth, they're not scary, they're not even that weird. This fall's big vampire show is on the CW, the Gossip Girl network, and its producer also brought the world Dawson's Creek.

In the best-selling Undead series of MaryJanice Davidson, the Queen of the Vampires is a suburbanite named Betsy Taylor. Edward, the romantic hero of the Twilight series, is a sweet, screwed-up high school kid, and at the beginning of his relationship with Bella, she is attracted to him because he is strange, beautiful, and seemingly repulsed by her. This exact scenario happened several times in my high school between straight girls and gay guys who either hadn't figured out they were gay or were still in the closet. Twilight's fantasy is that the gorgeous gay guy can be your boyfriend, and for the slightly awkward teenage girls who consume the books and movies, that's the clincher. Vampire fiction for young women is the equivalent of lesbian porn for men: Both create an atmosphere of sexual abandon that is nonthreatening. That's what everybody wants, isn't it? Sex that's dangerous and safe at the same time, risky but comfortable, gooey and violent but also traditional and loving. In the bedroom, we want to have one foot in the twenty-first century and another in the nineteenth.
(http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/true-blood-vampires-1109-lg-82528096.jpg)

True Blood also casts its shadow on the romance between a young woman and a vampire, but unlike Twilight, which is all subtext and love-that-dare-not-speak-its-name, HBO's cult series connects vampirism to homosexuality explicitly. In the opening credits — best opening credits ever? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxINMuOgAu8) — a passing road sign reads GOD HATES FANGS. The vampires call the humans "breathers" instead of "breeders," and the series opens with a talk-show interview about vampires "mainstreaming," or "coming out of the coffin." True Blood contrasts its vampires' desires for normalcy with humans who are extreme drug users, shape-shifters, and orgiastic maenads, and it's a perfect encapsulation of the American bedroom at this moment: Everyone is a freak, even the people who claim to rail against freakiness.

The first question that comes to mind when you see a family-values orator (http://www.johnensign.org/) today is, "I wonder if he's into meth-fueled orgies with male hookers?" And the segment of the religious Right that is not hypocritical has more or less joined the party: An evangelical preacher whose mission in life is to make Christians freakier is telling his flock to try anal play (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13834042/). For most Americans, there is no longer any such thing as a shameful sexual act between consenting adults. Having a bland sex life? Now, that's shameful. No one would dare admit to that.

And so vampires have appeared to help America process its newfound acceptance of what so many once thought strange or abnormal. Adam and Steve who live on your corner with their adorable little son and run a bakery? The transgendered man who gave birth to a healthy baby? The teenage girl who wishes that all boys could be vampires? All part of the luscious and terrifying magic of today's sexual revolution. The political consequences are sweeping — Iowa's Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage is further proof of an old wise man's dictum (http://www.iwise.com/AVS8N) that the United States invariably does the right thing, after first exhausting all the other alternatives — and the cultural impact is just beginning to be felt. Stephenie Meyer's fourth book in her vampire series, Breaking Dawn, will — one rumor has it (http://www.newmoonmovie.org/2009/08/wild-rumor-breaking-dawn-to-be-three-movies/) — be broken into as many as three different films, which means that husbands, fathers, and boyfriends could find themselves dragged to Twilight movies over the next decade. Neil Gaiman should take some comfort, though: Vampires will eventually go away. They always do. But only when they've sucked our fear and our longing dry.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Diabolico on October 15, 2009, 01:36:41 PM
I wish Blade would rip nancy boy a new one.

The only thing i've liked Vampire related was a film called 30 Days Of Night.

Long winded, could of been executed better imho, thou not shabby.

The movies were crap, and the books should have ended with Queen of The damned.

Quote for the truth.

It was shot,, I have the movie memorized.

Yeah it was shot by the makeshift nurse?

http://movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=1988 (http://movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=1988)

Don't view if you don't like the sight of blood or want to see pictures from throughout the film, which could spoil it.

The movie itself made cinimatic history.

Its one of a few films I have on UMD, cause I liked it so much.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: 8ullfrog on October 15, 2009, 05:10:51 PM
There is a short film online, where they expose what a creepy stalky pedo edward cullen is.

Unfortunately, his target du jour turns out to be Buffy Summers.

I'm having a little trouble tracking it down.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 18, 2009, 11:25:52 AM


Those flicks have a very high Wesley Snipes factor in addition to the vampire stuff that keeps me away. And doesn't the first one have Stephen Dorff in it, too? He sucks in everything but The Gate (one of you guys has got to remember that movie ;) :D :P).




I remember The Gate,, I saw it when it was released in theaters back in the 80s.

As for the vampires, I liked the concept of them being truly what they were,, better than you ( it showed the arogance of imortal beings over us mere mortal cattle).
The society and culture they had was pretty impresive to me,, them being like a secret society and the rulers being very wealthy.
 As for the Wesley Snipes thing,, he didnt play Blade like he was in the comic books. I watched all the comentaries that he did on the dvds,, and he had WAYYYYYY too much free reign on what he was going to do.
They WOULD have been better if the character was played more like what he was in the comics.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 18, 2009, 11:29:25 AM

Yeah it was shot by the makeshift nurse?


It never showed who shot it for sure,, it cut away and then you heard the shot.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Diabolico on October 18, 2009, 04:32:59 PM
Kinda looking forward to Bakjwi (2009).

It never showed who shot it for sure,, it cut away and then you heard the shot.

>_< the baby had creepy green eyes?

Didn't like the remake of Day of the Dead, Bud was a soldier, who for some reason wasn't like the other zombies.

Yes the first Blade had Dorff in it (was pretty good imho), he played a tragic villain. Blade II was closer to the comics? Only read the Max series.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Geemonster on October 18, 2009, 10:28:47 PM
30 Days of Night had balls,it had atmosphere,was well acted.
  These shows show everyone looking pristine with make up,they certainly wouldn't scare me if i met one in a dark alley.
  Now 30 Days of Night,i'd either be paralysed with fear,or run like i've never ran before.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Diabolico on October 19, 2009, 04:51:12 AM
Bakjwi (2009), is directed by, Chan-wook Park. The same person who directed: Oldboy (2003).

30 Days of Night had balls,it had atmosphere,was well acted.

Kinda agree, it had atmosphere. Thou some of the characters were cannon fodder. The scene with, Carter Davies, which starts off with: soon there will be five, was predictable. How many films have similar scenes? My biggest problem with 30DON, is the passing of days.

  These shows show everyone looking pristine with make up,they certainly wouldn't scare me if i met one in a dark alley.

Depends on what level >_>. If you would happen to meet Edward in an alley, would you be able to smell him, before you saw him? :D
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 19, 2009, 08:00:15 AM
Im really hoping they make the sequel of 30 days... It was a bit more frantic and took place in America after the vampire case in ALaska was exposed.
It seemed bloodier than the first. And the vamps more feral.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Skadi on October 19, 2009, 08:57:57 AM
Kinda looking forward to Bakjwi (2009).

Me too. I've seen a clip of it. And I think it one an award at Cannes.. but I can't remeber which. Oldboy was one of the only movies I've ever seen that I didn't guess at all what was up... so, I already like the director. And Bakjwi sounds nice and quirky.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 19, 2009, 10:29:44 AM
Talking about odd and quirky,,watch Deadgirl.
Ask Cheapie about it.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Geemonster on October 19, 2009, 10:57:27 AM
Well in 30 DON there was a neighbouring town,so that's obviously the next target.
  I just hope it does the 1st justice.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 19, 2009, 12:17:44 PM
The sequel to the original comic was set in Los Angeles I believe.
 The cops wife went public and wrote a book and went public.
The vamps were after her for doing this.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Geemonster on October 19, 2009, 12:23:46 PM
The sequel to the original comic was set in Los Angeles I believe.
 The cops wife went public and wrote a book and went public.
The vamps were after her for doing this.

I never knew that! :o
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: ohcheap1 on October 19, 2009, 12:37:00 PM
Talking about odd and quirky,,watch Deadgirl.
Ask Cheapie about it.

I think you can still read the banter in the movies section concerning this film. It was a precident setter in the horror genre thats for sure.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Geemonster on October 19, 2009, 12:39:27 PM
Deadgirl huh?  I'll keep my eyes open for it.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 19, 2009, 04:04:55 PM
Disturbing movie
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: redlandslide on October 19, 2009, 04:27:37 PM
Nobody mentioned the classic "I Bought a Vampire Motorcycle" (1990)  :D

Which also has a talking turd.

Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 19, 2009, 05:11:15 PM
WHAT THE HELL KIND OF MOVIES DO YOU WATCH? lol
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Geemonster on October 20, 2009, 05:26:22 AM
I saw that movie years ago,it was funny as golly :D
It had that Claire Scott who used to be in Grange Hill many moons ago now,and that dude from Boone.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 20, 2009, 06:49:40 AM
Scares me,,,lol
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: chekovsulu on October 20, 2009, 03:15:26 PM
I did not need to see that video :-X
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 20, 2009, 03:42:41 PM
Nope,,,I got enough talking crap running America to deal with.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: 8ullfrog on October 26, 2009, 08:14:10 AM
(http://screencrave.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Vampires-Assistant09-8-4-4.jpg)

John C. Reily sure makes a poofy vampire.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 26, 2009, 12:50:04 PM
What im afraid of is that the gener of movies I like are going to go mainstream and be all stupid.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Geemonster on October 26, 2009, 12:57:46 PM
What im afraid of is that the gener of movies I like are going to go mainstream and be all stupid.

I love foreign films with subs,good story good acting golly the CGI.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 26, 2009, 02:06:35 PM
You see, thats what i like about Romero and Argento,, good story,little if any cgi.
Alot of movies ( the bigger budget ones) rely too much on cgi effects and no story to speak of.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: JackFrost on October 26, 2009, 02:46:50 PM
You see, thats what i like about Romero and Argento,, good story,little if any cgi.
Alot of movies ( the bigger budget ones) rely too much on cgi effects and no story to speak of.

Most blockbusters are hoping that you are so overwhelmed by the visual onslaught that you'll never stop to think - "Wait, why am I watching this?"

And I've noticed over the last decade or so a rise in the reviews of movies that tend toward, "yeah, it wasn't tooo good, but the special effects are awesome!"

I need a bit more substance than that.

And it seems sometimes that entire movies are written around some CGI effect someone came up with...  ::)

But honestly, tho', I think Romero and Savini might've used CGI were it as readily available as it is now. Granted, the probably would've worked on the story, too, but they would've still used it.

I gotta say, tho, that there are still movies from the 80s and early 90s that had no CGI and have better special effects than some new CGI flicks.

Just look at Aliens.

That film still has amazing special effects and there's no CGI in the whole flick.

Or hell, The Thing or even Gremlins...

When they actually had to create real objects that were believable on screen. That's some serious talent, right there...
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Geemonster on October 26, 2009, 04:02:41 PM
Has anyone here seen City Of God?
It's a Brazilian film Cidad De Deus,or Cidad Dos Homens City Of Men the sequel.
  They're both bless'ed brilliant films.
Title: Re: Vampire fad
Post by: Robin-Graves on October 26, 2009, 04:20:57 PM
Troy was good too.

Romero used SOME cgi in Land of the Dead and Diary of the dead,used oly in very few scenes.

Romero is mainly a purist when it comes to effects, Greg Nicotero had to practicaly pull teath to use cgi in what few scenes there were.

Big movies like Believe, ID4 and Day after Tomarrow were just overwhelmed with cgi.
Fortunately ID4 actualy had a story to it between scenes.
 The hird Piates of the Carabean movie was made around the whirlpool scene. Im afraid 2012 is going to be another thats allcgi and no real story.
 I was urged by some idiot to see House Of The dead ( the only Ewe Boll movie I liked was Alone in the Dark).
House SUCKED!!!!! But all i heard in its defense was " It has special effects like The Matrix!".
 Its proof special effects dont make a movie. Look at  the last Matrix movie.
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Post by: mishca09 on October 28, 2009, 05:12:07 PM
i really liked city of god but i didn't like the second one so much.
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Post by: Robin-Graves on October 29, 2009, 04:04:11 AM
I didnt know there was a sequel.

Of course I didnt know there was a sequel to the Rocky Horror Picture Show either till 6 years ago ( System Shock,, named a finisher after it too)
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Post by: chekovsulu on October 29, 2009, 07:32:23 AM
Of course I didnt know there was a sequel to the Rocky Horror Picture Show either till 6 years ago ( System Shock,, named a finisher after it too)
There's a sequel?!  I must look this up!
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Post by: Geemonster on October 29, 2009, 07:42:43 AM
I wanna see Robert Rodriguez's Predator film.
Im betting it'll be set in the past.
  Predator 2's ending was Detective Harrigan in possesion of a flintlock pistol dated 1715.
  Predator with pirates sounds well cool.
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Post by: Robin-Graves on October 29, 2009, 08:18:59 AM
Robert Rodriguez is mading the new one? It might be good.
I love Rodriguez's work so far. Planet Terror wasnt bad for no budget.
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Post by: JackFrost on October 29, 2009, 08:24:37 AM
Rodriguez is also responsible for From Dusk 'Til Dawn which I have to admit I actually liked quite a bit...
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Post by: Robin-Graves on October 29, 2009, 08:38:18 AM
QFT!

I lved his El Mariachi movies too.I have all three including the one in Spanish one.
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Post by: chekovsulu on October 29, 2009, 10:06:05 AM
New Predator film!  Kool! :o
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Post by: Skadi on October 29, 2009, 10:09:37 AM

Just look at Aliens.

That film still has amazing special effects and there's no CGI in the whole flick.


I was rewatching Aliens just this week. And in the breaks they were giving background info. One of the breaks they were talking about how they used yogurt and milk for lots of the effects. And then they showed a scene where Ripley was getting doused good with a bucket of dairy :D
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Post by: Geemonster on October 29, 2009, 10:14:51 AM
I like the Predator concept,their culture,Matriachal society,weapons,their code,everything.
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Post by: Skadi on October 29, 2009, 10:16:19 AM
I like the Predator concept,their culture,female dominated society,weapons,their code,everything.

I still like Predators as a species better then Aliens. But the first 2 Alien movies were really good.
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Post by: Robin-Graves on October 29, 2009, 12:06:21 PM
I like the Predator concept,their culture,Matriachal society,weapons,their code,everything.

No kidding, you ought to get into the books.

The first AVP wasnt bad, the second was so so , the third is suposed to take place a little bit in the future.
 If Robert Rodriguez is doing it it wont be an over the top sci with over the top special effects,, the man is a damn good story writer.
 That counts alot in my book.
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Post by: Geemonster on October 30, 2009, 10:17:14 AM
We think alike my bredren. :)
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Post by: Robin-Graves on October 31, 2009, 06:33:35 AM
Ive gotten tired of the whole " Man,, the special effects were AWSOME" mentality when it comes to movies.
 Yeah, cgi is cool, as long as its GOOD cgi, and ADDS to the story, not takes place of.
Ewe Boll has a habbit of relying on special effects ( House Of The Dead ) to replace shitty story writing.
Im afraid to see 2012. Im afraid its going to be all special effects and no story, much like Believe.
 The whole mentality of replacing story with visual effects to wow an udience is getting old.
Im a big fan of the movies that came out in the 70s and 80s.
Yeah, the first Star Wars trilogy had alot of special effects, but they didnt overshadow the story, they complemented it.
Im also a big fan of practical effects. Benicio Del Torro uses alot of practical effects ( Hellboy and Hellboy 2).
 Yeah, some cgi, but it was a good mix.
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Post by: Skadi on October 31, 2009, 07:53:45 AM
*aggrees* Because I specifically love him as a director. But also I see what you're saying about how he uses special effects. Pan's Labyrinth was heavy on moody scenery and effects that was similar to Jean Cocteau's 1946 Beauty and the Beast. The only correction is you accidentally put the wrong first name. It's Guillermo del Toro, not Benicio Del Torro. But I knew what you meant, and what you were trying to say.
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Post by: Robin-Graves on October 31, 2009, 08:27:50 AM
Sorry,,been a wierd day,, Halloween and all, had the girls harassing me to make a jack o lantern.
Yeah, I got Pan's Labryinth, it was a masterpiece!
Too bad not many people got it.
I loved the neding,, made you wonder about things.
The whole wicked stepfather angle was good too.
Did you know the guy that had the eyes in his hands was Abe Sapien in the Hellboy movies?
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Post by: Skadi on October 31, 2009, 08:39:38 AM
^ I didn't know that. I'm usually lazy about following movie trivia :P

Pan's Labrynth made me cry super hard. have you ever seen The Devil's Backbone? And I'm glad he's doing The Hobbit. I'd be so pissed if that got screwed up. Lots of current directors from Mexico have excellent imaginations that carry over well to the visual aspects of their films. Or, they have the specific kind of visual imagination I like.

He also cowrote a book that's out now that you'd probably like. I'll link it below. I haven't gotten to read more then the first chapter because I've had a really busy past couple of months, and had other readings to finish first. Hopefully I'll get back to it this week. It's called The Strain

http://www.amazon.com/Strain-Book-One-Trilogy/dp/0061558230
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Post by: Robin-Graves on October 31, 2009, 01:59:27 PM
Ive heard about that book,, I need to check it out sometime soon.