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Title: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 06, 2010, 08:15:08 AM
Dolphins have been declared the world?s second most intelligent creatures after humans, with scientists suggesting they are so bright that they should be treated as ?non-human persons?.

Studies into dolphin behaviour have highlighted how similar their communications are to those of humans and that they are brighter than chimpanzees. These have been backed up by anatomical research showing that dolphin brains have many key features associated with high intelligence.

The researchers argue that their work shows it is morally unacceptable to keep such intelligent animals in amusement parks or to kill them for food or by accident when fishing. Some 300,000 whales, dolphins and porpoises die in this way each year.

?Many dolphin brains are larger than our own and second in mass only to the human brain when corrected for body size,? said Lori Marino, a zoologist at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, who has used magnetic resonance imaging scans to map the brains of dolphin species and compare them with those of primates.

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?The neuroanatomy suggests psychological continuity between humans and dolphins and has profound implications for the ethics of human-dolphin interactions,? she added.

Dolphins have long been recognised as among the most intelligent of animals but many researchers had placed them below chimps, which some studies have found can reach the intelligence levels of three-year-old children. Recently, however, a series of behavioural studies has suggested that dolphins, especially species such as the bottlenose, could be the brighter of the two. The studies show how dolphins have distinct personalities, a strong sense of self and can think about the future.

It has also become clear that they are ?cultural? animals, meaning that new types of behaviour can quickly be picked up by one dolphin from another.

In one study, Diana Reiss, professor of psychology at Hunter College, City University of New York, showed that bottlenose dolphins could recognise themselves in a mirror and use it to inspect various parts of their bodies, an ability that had been thought limited to humans and great apes.

In another, she found that captive animals also had the ability to learn a rudimentary symbol-based language.

Other research has shown dolphins can solve difficult problems, while those living in the wild co-operate in ways that imply complex social structures and a high level of emotional sophistication.

In one recent case, a dolphin rescued from the wild was taught to tail-walk while recuperating for three weeks in a dolphinarium in Australia.

After she was released, scientists were astonished to see the trick spreading among wild dolphins who had learnt it from the former captive.

There are many similar examples, such as the way dolphins living off Western Australia learnt to hold sponges over their snouts to protect themselves when searching for spiny fish on the ocean floor.

Such observations, along with others showing, for example, how dolphins could co-operate with military precision to round up shoals of fish to eat, have prompted questions about the brain structures that must underlie them.

Size is only one factor. Researchers have found that brain size varies hugely from around 7oz for smaller cetacean species such as the Ganges River dolphin to more than 19lb for sperm whales, whose brains are the largest on the planet. Human brains, by contrast, range from 2lb-4lb, while a chimp?s brain is about 12oz.

When it comes to intelligence, however, brain size is less important than its size relative to the body.

What Marino and her colleagues found was that the cerebral cortex and neocortex of bottlenose dolphins were so large that ?the anatomical ratios that assess cognitive capacity place it second only to the human brain?. They also found that the brain cortex of dolphins such as the bottlenose had the same convoluted folds that are strongly linked with human intelligence.

Such folds increase the volume of the cortex and the ability of brain cells to interconnect with each other. ?Despite evolving along a different neuroanatomical trajectory to humans, cetacean brains have several features that are correlated with complex intelligence,? Marino said.

Marino and Reiss will present their findings at a conference in San Diego, California, next month, concluding that the new evidence about dolphin intelligence makes it morally repugnant to mistreat them.

Thomas White, professor of ethics at Loyola Marymount University, Los Angeles, who has written a series of academic studies suggesting dolphins should have rights, will speak at the same conference.

?The scientific research . . . suggests that dolphins are ?non-human persons? who qualify for moral standing as individuals,? he says.




I read a sci fi novel where this happened once.

An alien species came and wanted to speak with a representative of Earth. The spoke to a dolphin.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: redlandslide on January 06, 2010, 08:39:23 AM
Quote from: Robin-Graves on January 06, 2010, 08:15:08 AM
The studies show how dolphins have distinct personalities, a strong sense of self and can think about the future.

Like planning their holidays? It's hard to think what a dolphin can see in it's future besides swimming and eating fish.

Quote from: Robin-Graves on January 06, 2010, 08:15:08 AM
I read a sci fi novel where this happened once.

An alien species came and wanted to speak with a representative of Earth. The spoke to a dolphin.

And let's not forget the Simpsons episode where they tried to take over the world.  >:(

I don't trust dolphins, with those smirks on their faces. Give them an inch and they'll take a nautical mile.

Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 06, 2010, 09:04:29 AM
No kidding.

Theyre wanting to take them out of Sea World since they are now conidered sentient beings.

Next theyll be giving our jobs to Dolphins.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: smokester on January 06, 2010, 09:13:33 AM
I watched the debate about "Human rights" for Dolphins this on the Wright stuff this morning and I was surprised and delighted to find out the Spain had already extended Human-rights to the Great Apes. I am of the ilk that all animals, even humans, have the birthright of not being tortured thoughout their lives.

Funny thing about the Dolphin debate is whenever I have been in the Caribbean, I have seen people endlessly being caught out when the see Dolphin on restaurant menus.  I have seen people so incensed that they have called for the manager and let loose a tirade of insults and condemnation only to find out that "Dolphin" is another name for the "Dorado" (Mahi-mahi) which is actually a rather tasty fish.  It does go to show though that the common man does feel somewhat different about Dolphins as I have never seen someone order that on the menu there until it had been explained.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 06, 2010, 09:18:22 AM
I know here in America there was a big debate about tuna canaries actualy having dolphin is thier tuna.
I never thought it might be Dorado.
We had Dorado when I was on Midway Island for a while.
Benida is good too.

Now, as for the dolphin debate,, Im all for them having rights, along with every other animal.
What Im afaid of is that food animals are going to have extended rights some day.
That happens and say goodby to the steak and kidney pie i like so much.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: smokester on January 06, 2010, 09:42:39 AM
There is nothing wrong with livestock agriculture but there is with intensive farming and the ill treatment of the animals (this is actually the reason I am vegetarian).  As for extending "Human rights": I personally don't think there should be a set of rules that say it ok to torture one animal because it isn't as bright as a Dolphin, as there are a few celebrities I could mention that wouldn't even match up to the intellect of a single cell amoeba.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 06, 2010, 10:56:24 AM
Exactly,,look at Paris Hilton.lol
Personaly, Im an advocate for animals rights. I dont believe in killing anything out of turn.
Just because an ant colony is a nuisance doesnt mean its ok to torture an ant with a magnifying glass.
One thing I DO have to say in favor of Non Human Persons, is that its about time we, as the Human race, got over the arogance that we are the only inteligent species on the planet.
 How would we feel if dolphins hunted us because we didnt think on the same level they did?
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: smokester on January 06, 2010, 01:10:35 PM
Quote from: Robin-Graves on January 06, 2010, 10:56:24 AM
Exactly,,look at Paris Hilton.lol
Personaly, Im an advocate for animals rights. I dont believe in killing anything out of turn.
Just because an ant colony is a nuisance doesnt mean its ok to torture an ant with a magnifying glass.
One thing I DO have to say in favor of Non Human Persons, is that its about time we, as the Human race, got over the arogance that we are the only inteligent species on the planet.
 How would we feel if dolphins hunted us because we didnt think on the same level they did?

I have quite seriously had the argument with people that advocate the widespread extermination of certain species of animal, that if aliens were to land here (it would follow that they were superior in intelligence and technology), would they then concede that it the aliens had the right to exterminate us simply because we couldn't compete?

I would kill any animal/thing in self-defence and I would hunt kittens if I were starving, but I am a member of NAVS and even relocate the housemice I catch rather then doing away with them - well in truth I relocate them to Clapham common where they will undoubtedly become fox food, but that's their fault for not paying attention in their Mouse-Ninja classes.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: redlandslide on January 06, 2010, 02:16:57 PM
Quote from: smokester on January 06, 2010, 01:10:35 PM
I would hunt kittens if I were starving

What hunting skills would one need to capture the mighty kitten?

I'm guessing the ability to roll a ball of wool would probably suffice.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: JackFrost on January 06, 2010, 04:01:49 PM
Actually, the only reason that dolphins are considered intelligent is because that's what the mice want us to think.

All that stuff with the squeaking and the cheese is just a front.

 ;)
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 06, 2010, 04:24:43 PM
I have been saying that for years.
It was the mice that contracted the construction of the Earth.
 I hunt,, but as a hunter I also respect wildlife.
I know to some that sounds like an oxymoron.
Let me explain.
 The animals that are hunted and killed are usualy the weaker of the species. The stronger survive to breed and produce stronger offspring.
Ive noticed over the eyars of deer hunting that weve ran into bigger stronger deer. AND even though you see them all over the place out of season, when the season starts, they are rare .
 Ive only gotten one this past season, where I used to get a couple.
 They are getting more cunning and physicaly stronger.
We had two hunters mauled by male deer this year ( and you people said the deer dont have a sporting chance!)
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Skadi on January 06, 2010, 05:10:35 PM
Has anyone seen The Cove yet?
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 06, 2010, 05:20:29 PM
I used to know a hooker that worked at a bar called The Cove if that counts.lol
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Skadi on January 07, 2010, 01:06:37 AM
Quote from: Robin-Graves on January 06, 2010, 05:20:29 PM
I used to know a hooker that worked at a bar called The Cove if that counts.lol

It does count, because I'm not sure I actually know anyone else who actually knows a hooker..so it's very novel :D But, I was talking about the movie.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: smokester on January 07, 2010, 06:53:40 AM
Quote from: Skadi on January 07, 2010, 01:06:37 AM
It does count, because I'm not sure I actually know anyone else who actually knows a hooker..so it's very novel :D But, I was talking about the movie.

Rumour has it we have a "Hooker" here on the boards..
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: ohcheap1 on January 07, 2010, 07:00:12 AM
Well, I know all the ladies here and they are all respectable, upstanding women so whoever she is lets honor and cherish her as she well deserves.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: redlandslide on January 07, 2010, 07:09:13 AM
Quote from: ohcheap1 on January 07, 2010, 07:00:12 AM
Well, I know all the ladies here and they are all respectable, upstanding women so whoever she is lets honor and cherish her as she well deserves.

Weird that you should assume it's a woman. I'm guessing it may be a man who enjoys chasing a leather egg around a field.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: ohcheap1 on January 07, 2010, 07:22:29 AM
(http://rlv.zcache.com/wanted_more_hooker_for_rugby_tshirt-p235098701810360553uh8q_400.jpg)
I believe I have mispoken. That is a VERY valid remark. But just in case.......

Quote from: redlandslide on January 07, 2010, 07:09:13 AM
Weird that you should assume it's a woman.

Dude....have you seen the guys here? Hooker? Not a chance! I mean, they would all make excellent rugby players.  :D
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: JackFrost on January 07, 2010, 09:21:51 AM
(http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4392/threadhijacked5010104he7.jpg)
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 07, 2010, 09:22:50 AM
And I so liked this thread
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: ohcheap1 on January 07, 2010, 09:24:31 AM
Quote from: Robin-Graves on January 06, 2010, 05:20:29 PM
I used to know a hooker .....

YOU started it!
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 07, 2010, 09:36:58 AM
Oh yeah,,BLAME me.
I was going to get to a point,,but now thats hopless.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: redlandslide on January 07, 2010, 09:38:55 AM
Quote from: ohcheap1 on January 07, 2010, 09:24:31 AM
YOU started it!

Quote from: Robin-Graves on January 07, 2010, 09:36:58 AM
Oh yeah,,BLAME me.

^ Sounds like my kids.  :D

So dolphins rights, will this extend to whales or will there be some kind of marine racism going on here.

Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: ohcheap1 on January 07, 2010, 09:44:42 AM
What!! Are you saying Marines shouldnt date outside of their race? Aaawwww man thats harsh........
Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 07, 2010, 09:46:26 AM
You know,, thats a good question Landslide.
Are we going to be selective which species is worthy of "rights"?
 Are we as humans THAT arogant?
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: JackFrost on January 07, 2010, 09:48:04 AM
Quote from: Robin-Graves on January 07, 2010, 09:46:26 AM
Are we as humans THAT arogant?

Yes.

Yes, we are.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: redlandslide on January 07, 2010, 09:52:43 AM
Quote from: Robin-Graves on January 07, 2010, 09:46:26 AM
You know,, thats a good question Landslide.
Are we going to be selective which species is worthy of "rights"?
 Are we as humans THAT arogant?

I'd say humans (particularly white male ones) are proven to be that arrogant. How long did women or non-whites have to wait for equal rights? At least they could protest to bring change, I'm not sure whales have the organisational skills to get a protest going, they'd have to get the octopusses to do the leaflets, they're the only ones with ink.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: smokester on January 07, 2010, 10:19:55 AM
Quote from: redlandslide on January 07, 2010, 09:38:55 AM

So dolphins rights, will this extend to whales or will there be some kind of marine racism going on here.

Most whales are dark skinned, look obese, and sing like women - they don't stand a chance..
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: redlandslide on January 07, 2010, 02:53:19 PM
It'd be interesting to see a chimp with the right to bear arms.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: dweez on January 07, 2010, 02:58:20 PM
And a bear with the right to chimp arms.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: smokester on January 07, 2010, 03:00:49 PM

And a chimp with the right to arm bears.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: redlandslide on January 07, 2010, 03:19:13 PM
Quote from: dweez on January 07, 2010, 02:58:20 PM
And a bear with the right to chimp arms.

I was going to write the exact same line myself in my last post but thought the joke was a bit too corny even for me.  :D

Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: dweez on January 07, 2010, 03:20:17 PM
No joke is too corny for me...sadly enough.  :-[
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Geemonster on January 07, 2010, 03:23:00 PM
We're such golly ups we can't even get Human rights sorted,so what chance do other Animals have? ::)
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 07, 2010, 04:28:07 PM
You know,, Id like to know where we, as humans , think we have the ability to give rights to another species.
 WHo are we to think that we can legislate morality for a species that has no frame of reference to our way of thinking?
 Its all fine and dandy and well meaning. But look at what happened to the Aboriginal tribes, the Native Americans etc. when we were doing the "well meaning" thing.
 Yeah,, cool,, now dolphins have rights,, so do some of the Geat Apes,, soo,, do we let them have a say in things?
Do we try and reason with them to get a common reference for comunication?
Have we even started to do anything like that?
Nope,,
This whole fiasco is so that some well meaning socialogist ( or the like) can make themselves feel better about their job.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: JackFrost on January 07, 2010, 07:19:07 PM
I've long held a theory that most animals are intelligent enough to communicate with us if they choose.

They just don't because they know we'll give them jobs.

You've seen The Flintstones, right?

So I think that might make cats the smartest animals on Earth because they figured out the art of the free ride centuries ago.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 07, 2010, 08:12:37 PM
Sentience is a product of human arogance,, same as life not being on other worlds since the environment isnt like ours, and the pope has to be a guy.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: JackFrost on January 07, 2010, 10:52:38 PM
Quote from: Robin-Graves on January 07, 2010, 08:12:37 PM
same as life not being on other worlds since the environment isnt like ours

I happen to agree with Calvin:

(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8848/calvinonintelligentlife.jpg)
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 08, 2010, 07:58:23 AM
I sure as hell wouldnt come here.
Not with Kim Jung Il ,bush/Cheney and Gordon Brown.

Theyre proof that inteligent life does not exist on earth.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: dweez on January 08, 2010, 08:01:16 AM
Quote from: JackFrost on January 07, 2010, 10:52:38 PM
I happen to agree with Calvin:

(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8848/calvinonintelligentlife.jpg)

There was quite a bit of wisdom snuck into the C&H strips.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 08, 2010, 08:03:40 AM
Hmmm,,maybe a new religion for the Dolphin race.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: redlandslide on January 08, 2010, 08:05:50 AM
Quote from: dweez on January 08, 2010, 08:01:16 AM
There was quite a bit of wisdom snuck into the C&H strips.

Does that mean they were aliens?


Maybe instead of extending rights to less intelligent creatures than ourselves, the way to go may be to remove some rights from the dumber humans.

Quote from: Robin-Graves on January 08, 2010, 08:03:40 AM
Hmmm,,maybe a new religion for the Dolphin race.

I've a feeling dolphins are way to smart to get mixed up with religion.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 08, 2010, 08:08:49 AM
Quote from: redlandslide on January 08, 2010, 08:05:50 AM
Does that mean they were aliens?


Maybe instead of extending rights to less intelligent creatures than ourselves, the way to go may be to remove some rights from the dumber humans.



What? Then the pretty people like Paris Hilton wont know they have a right to be pretty!
Quote from: redlandslide on January 08, 2010, 08:05:50 AM




I've a feeling dolphins are way to smart to get mixed up with religion.

Yeah,, I wish humans were a tenth as smart as dolphins.

Atleast they know not to piss the neighbor with a bad attitude off
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: chekovsulu on January 08, 2010, 08:12:02 AM
It would be fun to see all types of missionaries trying to convert dolphins
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 08, 2010, 08:23:12 AM
I allways think missionaries are funny,, and im a licensed minister. For real.
Have been for years,, and I still find religion a farce.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: redlandslide on January 08, 2010, 08:26:48 AM
Quote from: Robin-Graves on January 08, 2010, 08:23:12 AM
I allways think missionaries are funny

Especially that position they're always in.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 08, 2010, 08:41:44 AM
Yeah,, theyre dull people.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Skadi on January 08, 2010, 08:48:36 AM
Quote from: redlandslide on January 08, 2010, 08:05:50 AM
Maybe instead of extending rights to less intelligent creatures than ourselves, the way to go may be to remove some rights from the dumber humans.

I've a feeling dolphins are way to smart to get mixed up with religion.

Unless they get higher rights, and demand to start marrying anyone human they choose :D

(http://christthetruth.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/dolphin-marriage.jpg)


With this herring I thee wed

British woman ?marries? dolphin, tying the net after 15-year courtship

JERUSALEM - Sharon Tendler met Cindy 15 years ago. She said it was love at first sight. This week she finally took the plunge and proposed. The lucky "guy" plunged right back.
In a modest ceremony at Dolphin Reef in the southern Israeli port of Eilat, Tendler, a 41-year-old British citizen, apparently became the world's first person to "marry" a dolphin.
Dressed in a white dress, a veil and pink flowers in her hair, Tendler got down on one knee on the dock and gave Cindy a kiss. And a piece of herring.
"It's not a perverted thing. I do love this dolphin. He's the love of my life," she said Saturday, upon her return to London.
Tendler, who said she imports clothes and promotes rock bands in England, has visited Israel several times a year since first meeting the dolphin.
When asked in the past if she had a boyfriend, she would always reply, "No. I'm going to end up with Cindy." On Wednesday, she made it official, sort of. While she acknowledged the "wedding " had no legal bearing she did say it reflected her deep feelings toward the bottlenosed, 35-year-old object of her affection.
"It's not a bad thing. It?s just something that we did because I love him, but not in the way that you love a man. It's just a pure love that I have for this animal," she said.
While she still kept open the option of "marrying human" at some stage, she said for now she was strictly a "one-dolphin woman."
She's hardly the jealous type, though.
"He will still play with all the other girls there," she said, of their prenuptial agreement . "I hope he has a lot of baby dolphins with the other dolphins. The more dolphins the better."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10694972/

Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 08, 2010, 09:08:24 AM
Great,, now we will have,,whats the term for people wanting to marry outside the species?,,marches in protest of non legaly mariages to,,,,other species.
That just did not come accross right did it?
 I mean,,geezzz..
Ive been thrown over by a girl once for another girl,, that was bad enough,, but can you imagine being thrown over for a dolphin?
 Now THATS and ego killer.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: JackFrost on January 08, 2010, 09:40:24 AM
Quote from: Robin-Graves on January 08, 2010, 08:23:12 AM
I allways think missionaries are funny,
Quote from: redlandslide on January 08, 2010, 08:26:48 AM
Especially that position they're always in.

Rimshot!  :D

Quote from: Robin-Graves on January 08, 2010, 08:23:12 AM
and im a licensed minister. For real.

Yeah, yeah, my buddy sent $10 to that ad in the back of Rolling Stone, too.  ;) :P

Inter-species marriages have been occurring for a long time all over the world with people marrying a whole menagerie of different animals.

To me, this is just the solidifying of the signal that the person has just given up on attempting any kind of human interaction, which is kind of sad. I adore animals, but c'mon, now...

And did the lady and her dolphin consummate the marriage?

 :D
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: dweez on January 08, 2010, 09:45:07 AM
I'm not licensed but I have a Bachelor's of Theology.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: smokester on January 08, 2010, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: dweez on January 08, 2010, 09:45:07 AM
I have a Bachelor's of Theology.

Well give it back to him as he probably needs it.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: laama on January 08, 2010, 01:38:13 PM
Quote from: chekovsulu on January 08, 2010, 08:12:02 AM
It would be fun to see all types of missionaries trying to convert dolphins
They probably done it already,as they try convert other missionaries to their own "better" religion.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: ohcheap1 on January 08, 2010, 02:55:51 PM
Quote from: redlandslide on January 08, 2010, 08:26:48 AM
Especially that position they're always in.

SNAP!! Crackle and pop Red!
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 08, 2010, 03:49:11 PM
Quote from: JackFrost on January 08, 2010, 09:40:24 AM
Rimshot!  :D

Yeah, yeah, my buddy sent $10 to that ad in the back of Rolling Stone, too.  ;) :P

Inter-species marriages have been occurring for a long time all over the world with people marrying a whole menagerie of different animals.

To me, this is just the solidifying of the signal that the person has just given up on attempting any kind of human interaction, which is kind of sad. I adore animals, but c'mon, now...

And did the lady and her dolphin consummate the marriage?

 :D

Frost,,mine is real,, Its through the Baptist Association and the Interfaith Councel.
 Dont lump me in with those weirdos who get theirs through the Universal Life Progressive whatever and the Saint of Santa Anna.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: ohcheap1 on January 08, 2010, 03:54:49 PM
The internets, the internet, it doesnt matter what is written across the top of the page.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 08, 2010, 04:03:36 PM
Whatever.....
Just because frost and dweez know someone that did aomething at somehwere doesnt mean that everyone does things that way.

Now,, back to dolphins,,,,,,OK  WHERE IS THE CHICK THAT WAS STANDING,,,DAMNED DOLPHINS!!!!!!
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: redlandslide on January 08, 2010, 04:06:47 PM
Something occurred to me. Is rights for animals the beginning of the road that eventually leads to the Planet of the Apes? I forget what role dolphins had in that, but when apes rule the land, I bet the dolphins are the kings & queens of the deep.
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 08, 2010, 04:09:45 PM
Oh man,,,giving rights to dolphins just may end up bad.
I mean,, in a thousand years, we humans wont be spanking the monkey,, the monkey will be spanking us!!!
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: ohcheap1 on January 08, 2010, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: Robin-Graves on January 08, 2010, 04:03:36 PM
Just because frost and dweez know someone that did aomething at somehwere doesnt mean that everyone does things that way.

Dweez earned his in college and I doubt jack is interested in being clergy (although the one reason pic......) but the reason I said that is "You TOLD me that"  ::)
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: Robin-Graves on January 08, 2010, 04:30:24 PM
Um,yes,, but it was done through a legitimate organasation.
 Not throughthe back of a magazine or through some sham .
Title: Re: "non-human" persons?
Post by: redlandslide on January 08, 2010, 04:45:36 PM
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