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Title: Local News
Post by: smokester on March 13, 2015, 11:47:37 AM
I thought I'd start a thread featuring the local news of our members.  I don't think we're busy enough  to have individual thread for each item - so this topic can just roll on when you have a newsworthy item.

Right at this moment the streets around my house stink of ash.  An hour ago you could hardly breath outside due to the marvellous Battersea Arts Centre being ablaze.  It's about half a mile from my house and the people all around the area are all close to tears as this place was in the hearts of all that grew up around here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-31879724

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battersea_Arts_Centre
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: xtopave on March 13, 2015, 03:11:20 PM
Right at this moment the streets around my house stink of ash.  An hour ago you could hardly breath outside due to the marvellous Battersea Arts Centre being ablaze.  It's about half a mile from my house and the people all around the area are all close to tears as this place was in the hearts of all that grew up around here.

Such a pity! It must be despairing to see something you cherished being destroyed by the fire. At least they say people weren't hurt.
Fire can be such a devastating force. Actually this is currently happening in my country:

http://www.cctv-america.com/2015/03/06/patagonia-forest-fires-may-be-worst-in-argentinas-history (http://www.cctv-america.com/2015/03/06/patagonia-forest-fires-may-be-worst-in-argentinas-history)

So far 34.000 ha (about 84.000 acres) of ancient forests have been destroyed and the fire threatens Parque Nacional Los Alerces (https://www.google.com/search?q=parque+nacional+los+alerces&biw=1252&bih=561&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=FloDVaf7E8vDggSNpYPICA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ)

They say it was started intentionally. Sadly I suspect the fight is ineffective and even indolent.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on March 13, 2015, 03:45:05 PM

Fire can be such a devastating force. Actually this is currently happening in my country:

http://www.cctv-america.com/2015/03/06/patagonia-forest-fires-may-be-worst-in-argentinas-history (http://www.cctv-america.com/2015/03/06/patagonia-forest-fires-may-be-worst-in-argentinas-history)

So far 34.000 ha (about 84.000 acres) of ancient forests have been destroyed and the fire threatens Parque Nacional Los Alerces (https://www.google.com/search?q=parque+nacional+los+alerces&biw=1252&bih=561&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=FloDVaf7E8vDggSNpYPICA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ)

They say it was started intentionally. Sadly I suspect the fight is ineffective and even indolent.

Restricting the sale of fire stricken land for 10 years seems a sensible move if real-estate speculation is the motive for those fires.  Personally, if that were ever proved I'd expect much stronger action.  Maybe even reintroducing the fire to the property agents that started it?..
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: xtopave on March 13, 2015, 05:31:14 PM
Maybe even reintroducing the fire to the property agents that started it?..

Oh, I get it. With a torch in their... Never mind.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on March 28, 2015, 03:11:23 PM
I went to the BAC yesterday for a drink (they have a bar) and I was surprised just how "business as usual" it was.  The grand hall at the back is of course completely burnt out, but they've cleaned up the front half of the building and are putting shows on as best they can.

The beer was great too.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on March 29, 2015, 02:57:38 AM
That looks like a spectacular building.  How sad that the great hall was destroyed as it looks like it was pretty lovely from the Wikipedia photos.  The Glasgow Institute of Fine Arts was recently devastated also, with the beautiful library by CR Mackintosh pretty much destroyed.  I expect they'll salvage what they can and restore/rebuild what has been damaged beyond that.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on March 29, 2015, 11:43:54 AM
That looks like a spectacular building.  How sad that the great hall was destroyed as it looks like it was pretty lovely from the Wikipedia photos.  The Glasgow Institute of Fine Arts was recently devastated also, with the beautiful library by CR Mackintosh pretty much destroyed.  I expect they'll salvage what they can and restore/rebuild what has been damaged beyond that.

I think you'd love the BAC for more reasons than just its structural beauty.

You feel right at home there regardless of what you wear, what age you are, what kind of music you listen to and so on. It reminds me of the old Camden town before its commercial success ruined the vibe and turned it into a tourist meat market.

There are very few places like this left in London, or the U.K for that matter. I have a feeling I'll be spending a lot more time there since its near demise.

Perhaps there is a silver lining to the fire after all.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: drago6650 on April 06, 2015, 04:31:54 PM
Gateshead wonderkid Leia Zhu, EIGHT, wins international contest with amazing violin performance

Musical whizz Leia Zhu propelled herself among the world’s best after becoming the youngest ever winner of an international competition.

The eight-year-old’s rapid rise to fame continued as she scooped first place in the Discovery of the Competition Grand Prix at the International Competition for Young Virtuosos.

Leia, of Whickham, Gateshead, beat 127 candidates in four age groups from over 20 countries around the world to win the contest in Bulgaria.

The Fellside Community Primary School pupil wowed the crowd with her performance of Wieniawski’s Second Violin Concerto to become the youngest winner in its history.

(http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s449/drago6650/JS44290714_zpsyavnysuu.jpg) (http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/drago6650/media/JS44290714_zpsyavnysuu.jpg.html)

There are too many sad and horrific stories in the Newspapers, just thought this was a nice one from my village.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on April 06, 2015, 04:43:29 PM

There are too many sad and horrific story's in the Newspapers, just thought this was a nice one from my village.

That's very true and it should also inspire my daughter to practise her piano more.  She says she's only 9 and shouldn't have to practise anything at that age. Especially while there's Minecraft, Loom bands and the School of Dragons to attend to.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: drago6650 on April 06, 2015, 04:55:58 PM
It is one of my regrets that I never learned to play an instrument when i was younger, albeit i did attempt to play the violin at the age of 14, much to the horror of my parents who had to suffer the sound of a cat being slowly strangled..... ;D
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on April 06, 2015, 05:21:21 PM
I can play the piano a little and like my daughter I struggled to routinely practise.

It seems ridiculous now that I couldn't find 20 minutes a day to better myself. That story you posted puts me to shame.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on April 07, 2015, 01:32:28 PM
Tsk.

I see the coffee's a brewing today.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: drago6650 on April 08, 2015, 01:33:56 PM
Tsk.

Amended   
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on March 29, 2017, 04:38:51 PM
Saw this link in another post. Sums up a part of where I live:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-39405318
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on March 31, 2017, 02:45:49 AM
Thanks for this.  It's a part of London I've never visited.  I've been to Battersea, but that's about it for S. London, except for the Design Museum and a stroll across Tower Bridge.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on April 03, 2017, 04:35:31 PM
Not selling it as a tourist destination, to be honest.

You said it, brother.

However, you can get a tipple till around 6am.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on May 13, 2017, 12:32:07 AM
too depressing to view
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on May 23, 2017, 09:52:18 AM
not quite local but Manchester,  :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on May 23, 2017, 02:40:16 PM
I was driving to work this morning when I heard about the diabolic happenings in Manchester. I honesty had to stop for fear of throwing up.

If there is some kind of spirit world, when I die I am going to find that politician and torture him for a million years.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on May 23, 2017, 06:40:43 PM
If there is a hell, I expect there will be a special circle reserved for terrorists.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: Alfonz on May 24, 2017, 09:39:08 AM
I honestly cannot think of a solution for these heinous crimes but I do see the problem escalating with each passing year. Sad state of affairs when you're fighting an ideology that doesn't acknowledge "loss".
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on May 24, 2017, 09:50:43 AM
An intriguing prospect, as "freedom fighters" expect a reservation in a special balcony of heaven.

I'm pretty sure they blaspheme the faith, so they're probably already covered in terms of applicable sins.  I hope that if they do get to that heaven, the virgins are mean, pushy American Jewesses who will give them poo for eternity.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on May 25, 2017, 12:33:33 AM
I'm pretty sure they blaspheme the faith, so they're probably already covered in terms of applicable sins.  I hope that if they do get to that heaven, the virgins are mean, pushy American Jewesses who will give them poo for eternity.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on May 25, 2017, 03:28:16 PM
If there is a hell, I expect there will be a special circle reserved for terrorists.

Oddly, I argue that suicide bomber must go to their Islamic heaven. Why? Because they gave their life for Allah and were told that they will be rewarded for it, and Allah can't welch on the deal. Yes they are bless'ed morons that misinterpreted the writings, but is that a get out clause for Allah as, after all, they died in his name?

This is the whole problem with religion fuelled terrorism. One can argue that it is diminished responsibility as you really have to have a screw loose. When it was the IRA or the Basque separatists, they did those murderous things in the name of territory and political argument. For that, they have to take complete responsibility.   
 
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: Alfonz on May 26, 2017, 05:37:48 AM
http://www.theonion.com/article/god-angrily-clarifies-dont-kill-rule-222

Cute article, re-affirming not to kill and love your neighbor is of utmost importance, even if the article contained countless errors.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on May 26, 2017, 03:49:50 PM
http://www.theonion.com/article/god-angrily-clarifies-dont-kill-rule-222

Hang on a minute: to create the papacy and to respond to the Turkish marauders threatening Byzantium, the church (I assume with the authority of God), changed the rule to "thou shall not kill... Christians" (legitimising the Crusades in the process and the killing of Jews regardless of them not being infidels). This allowed nearly total autonomy for folk killers and, shortly afterwards, Islam installed the whole Jihad clause as a response.

If God, in all his omnipotence, wants a rule to be a rule, all he'she/it needs to do is demand it. If he/she/it had, this poo would have been over a thousand years ago.

Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on May 31, 2017, 03:31:18 PM
I think you have misunderstood. God & Church are completely separate things.

Only in spelling.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on June 03, 2017, 06:51:55 AM
Nope.

God = something people (created to) believe in, so that they can convince themselves that all people will get their due later.
Church = something created by some people to control other people, so that the controllers will get "their due" now.

Granted that there is an overlap in practice, but the principles are quite separate.

Glad you cleared that up. It makes perfect sense now...
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on June 03, 2017, 03:32:47 PM
Always glad to help.

That's great to hear, I'll make a list. Shouldn't take more than a week or 2.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on June 04, 2017, 12:16:16 AM
Now - London attack: Six killed in vehicle and stabbing incidents
 :'( :'( :'( :'( will this madness never end
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on June 04, 2017, 12:53:26 AM
Something is wrong with people's brains when they think it's a good idea to drive a car into a crowd of people.  I have no idea what we can do about this.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on June 04, 2017, 02:19:07 AM
This latest poo is just a few miles from me. It just leaves me completely numb.

I think the whole country could really do without the general election this week as none of the parties are electable as they stand. Perhaps a cross party coalition is the best way to go.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 8ullfrog on June 04, 2017, 01:46:54 PM
Instead of making the saudi's cross, let's push forth a 1984 agenda. Whatthefuckidonteven
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on June 05, 2017, 12:24:02 AM
I think the whole country could really do without the general election this week as none of the parties are electable as they stand. Perhaps a cross party coalition is the best way to go.
Dont allow any MP to reenter Parliament, things will carry on as norm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/8936857/Belgium-to-have-new-government-after-world-record-541-days.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/8936857/Belgium-to-have-new-government-after-world-record-541-days.html)
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on June 05, 2017, 01:03:01 PM
I have warned you lot before about voting for politicians. Not a sensible thing to do.

America just followed that advice to the letter. Can't say I can see the sense in it.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on June 06, 2017, 12:57:27 AM
could  follow the Belgium election example https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2013/10/01/589-days-with-no-elected-government-what-happened-in-belgium/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2013/10/01/589-days-with-no-elected-government-what-happened-in-belgium/)
589 days with no elected government: things still carried on
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on June 08, 2017, 12:39:42 AM
Workmate was showing me some false flag videos about the London incident (3 guys stabbing).
The vid from you tube shows the police changing their uniform for civvies/combat clothes (no idea why) and  the person who does the flag videos stated the police were the culprits and the whole thing was set up. He compared the police man in combat to the assailant stating was all a Gov conspiracy.
I pointed out to the workmate that the policeman was short and stocky and had a ginger beard plus the combats were of different style colour, the assailant had a sharp cut beard / taller and thinner / combats were darker. Plus why would the police allow the public to film them getting into civvies if they were up to no good.
Workmate got very upset and I wonder why people want to believe Gov's are always conspiring against the public.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: brickbatz on June 08, 2017, 10:52:19 AM
You can get away with blaming the government but if you blame individuals you risk being labeled a racist.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on June 08, 2017, 04:17:23 PM
No they didn't.

Politician = person standing for office.

They aren't all malicious or morons, but they are all dangerous.

Don't. Just don't.

I did it.

Well, the polling office was near the pub and I had 10 minutes to burn.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on June 09, 2017, 06:37:03 AM
Another prize over confident cockerel up again by the Conservervatives  ;D
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on June 10, 2017, 01:13:47 AM
So it is (partially) your fault.

Thank you, but I can't take that much credit.

I have to be honest, regardless of my, or anyone else's opinion of Mr Corbyn, I haven't felt so at ease voting for a labour leader since John Smith.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on June 11, 2017, 05:01:12 AM
Thank you, but I can't take that much credit.

I have to be honest, regardless of my, or anyone else's opinion of Mr Corbyn, I haven't felt so at ease voting for a labour leader since John Smith.
Agree, I did switch sides as I thought the whole Conservative manifest / U turms / failure to stand up and debate and the out right non answering of questions put to her and her party were a PR cockerel up
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on June 11, 2017, 03:56:22 PM
I'm becoming a bit of a Jezza fan lately. His politics were my politics until I was around 30, then I gave up trying to change the world. He has pressed on regardless and fair play to him.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on June 12, 2017, 08:11:35 AM
I hear no fat lady singing as yet  ;D ;D
Sort it out please
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on June 14, 2017, 08:11:39 AM
Unfortunately it goes on.  :'( :'( :'( :'(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40272168 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40272168) 
Horrendous to watch on media  :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: Alfonz on June 14, 2017, 08:33:56 AM
Very sad   :(
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: dweez on June 14, 2017, 08:59:37 PM
What is going on in this world?
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on June 14, 2017, 10:27:14 PM
I am so saddened and shocked by the Grenfell fire I don't even know what to say.  I hope that they get to the bottom of this.  Poor people warehoused in an unsafe structure.  Where the hell were the safe fire exits?  It makes me stupid to think of how anyone could allow human beings to inhabit such a building.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on June 15, 2017, 12:43:54 PM
I learnt today that one of the guys I work with lost family in the Grenfell Tower fire, and I present client of mine also has a friends
 who is "missing".

I have seen this cladding system used on many buildings in one form or another, and I have often wondered how it would react in a fire. Let's not forget that this is only a re-run of the Melbourne blaze in 2014 that used the same cladding, and a subsequent investigation found that this material did not comply with Australian regulations. Australian building regulations are tougher than the UK's, but i doubt that this insulation system was suitable for a high rise building due to the chimney effect that it created.

Cruelly ironic that I have been chiming on about how regulation does not allow for common sense. This is the sole reason for this fire as without the cladding I doubt there would have been a single fatality.

It makes me sick to my stomach.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on June 28, 2017, 07:47:01 AM
so sad, and with the gov stating today the cladding fails reg's.
 I wouldn't like to be in any  the companies people who agreed to use / sign off the work and deals.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on June 28, 2017, 03:40:57 PM
As I understand what has been reported so far, no-one has said that it fails regulations: in fact it passes all of the UK and Europe's requirements.

On the other hand, it catches fire, so it patently obviously isn't fit for purpose.

Sort of bring s the whole regulatory framework into question for me: what is the point of having rules about what you can use, if the rules allow (and therefore encourage) you to use stuff that will kill people in numerous different ways when you use it?

Like I've said, in the world of construction, regulation negates common sense.

What's worse is that fire regulations are some of the most dangerously ill advised load of garbage that ever existed.

I'll give you another example: I live in a housing association property and fire regulations insist that we have a door closer on our front door. This closer was so strong that it made the door so hard to open that my (at the time) 10 year old daughter couldn't budge it at all. If there was a fire that rendered the other 3 of us unconscious, she'd have died due to this "safety" measure.

Luckily, I own both a screwdriver and a bin.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on June 29, 2017, 08:09:52 AM
common sense or price, big business, smaller cost and bigger profit plus i imagine a few back handers
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on June 30, 2017, 09:40:23 AM
Which is precisely why the regulation is so important. Business can't be trusted to "do the right thing", it can only be trusted to "do the most profitable thing". We know and accept this, but the "thing" that they do must be legal. If the law is wrong/ inadequate, accidents happen.
So agree
Big companies "common sense" would be to use anything and be more successful so paying the Shareholders more profit. its how the market works even if you agree or not.
Unfortunate that this incident was and sad, there have been much worse incidents where costs were cut to maximise profit and the owners just walked away.


It is not possible for the government/ council/ homeowner/ contractor/ fitter - or even inspector - to thoroughly test all materials they use, they rely on the legislative framework, and then often use the cheapest legal material. If that certified legal material is flammable/ poisonous it is hardly their fault.

History proves this right remember Asbestos, legally ok to use and heralded at the best thing since sliced bread and then we learn more about it  :( :(
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on June 30, 2017, 04:01:58 PM
Even though I'm not entirely sure what christ said as I can only piece together an idea from goldie's post, I don't agree with him. Believe it or not, it is entirely possible to test all the materials for use, in fact, they have all been thoroughly tested. The problem lies with what decisions are made once the tests have been carried out, and this is where common sense leaves the building.

I can't stress enough that the Grenfell Tower was a wholly fire safe building made unsafe by cladding that an idiot would have seen was completely improper. "Regulation" legitimised this regardless of how many idiots may have pointed out that the cladding was more than a little suspect.

I'm an idiot that has reported breaches in H&S that range from disregarding non encapsulated asbestos in  a cafe, to dangerous, Gerry rigged electrics by unqualified personnel. Local authorities have proved not to give a poo - and give it six months, and they won't give a poo all over again.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: dweez on July 03, 2017, 08:59:51 AM
There is huge difference between what one ethical person, or a small ethical company, can and will do and what a profit-driven large-to-huge corporation will do. For the purposes of this argument "cost-saving" and "profit-driven" amount to the same thing, and "council" and "corporation" are interchangeable. Common sense has no place in corporate affairs: minimum standards that meet legal requirements are driving the bus.

It may be possible for the end-user to test all the materials for use. I doubt it - I have worked for decades in testing and it is a specialised sport, not something to be undertaken lightly by someone whose expertise is elsewhere: I am reminded of the match tester: "yes, this one worked" tells you nothing about the next one: the testing has to be interwoven with the manufacture (particularly with complex components such as cladding: how can you tell that the glue used in the manufacture of all the sheets that you bought is identical in composition and quantity to the glue in the sample(s) that you tested?), and this is not something that can be done even by the ethical workman. ... but putting that all aside, and assuming that it is possible, it is not cost-effective: relying on the (supposed) fact that someone else has done the testing is the norm - and is encouraged so to be.

It may well be common sense that you shouldn't use something flammable to stop a fire, but if the legal framework says that a particular component is OK (even if it is cheap), then how would you know otherwise? The fact that you can set fire to something in your backyard doesn't mean that it is inappropriately flammable under normal usage conditions - even in extreme conditions. Obviously people did the work, and I daresay it is possible that some of them complained, and I would even go so far as to say that some people may have given up or lost their jobs as a result of this protest, but

1) in general terms doing inappropriate but legal work that keeps bread on the table trumps common sense and ethics just about every time, but
2) it is probable that no-one working on the tower block cladding really thought - at the time - that they were making the building unsafer. Hindsight is, of course, a wonderful thing, and I wouldn't be greatly surprised if all the people that worked on the job now come forward one at a time to tell the world how worried they were at the time, and how inappropriate the materials, the bosses, and most of all the robbing bastards in the council were: but hindsight is often coloured by experience, and has a modifying effect on one's memory.

If everyone in the council was following the rules, and the materials used were certified as appropriate, then the legal testing regime is at fault.

Of course if anyone used materials that were not certified as appropriate, then everyone involved in that usage should be hung out to dry.

Quoted for posterity as I think this is the most I've every seen christ say in one post.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on July 03, 2017, 12:53:48 PM
There is huge difference between what.......

Look, this cladding was the cause of an identical fire 3 years ago in Melbourne. The autopsy of that event showed that this exact same cladding did not meet safety regulations and you would have thought that this testing would have been sufficient evidence to stop its use here.

It also does not meet fire regulations here.

I can tell you that (regardless of what the modern day regulation making geeks would like to say) there is nothing particularly complicated about what is safe and what isn't. I was taught while working for Brent health and safety that you had to use common sense first. This is because there can be things that breach regulation but are not causing any particular risk (and so advice is the best course of action rather than a penalty), and there can be things that are not breaching regulation that could pose a substantial risk and should be treated more aggressively.

There are a lot of flammable materials use in construction - America has more than a couple of timber buildings - but when these materials are used you have to modify procedures to account for the risk. There is no way that the cladding used on Grenfell meant that the same fire safety procedures should have stayed in place. Of course a sprinkler system would have helped, but the instruction should have been altered to evacuation rather than staying in your flat. This latter advice probably quadrupled the death toll.

We are not talking about string theory, we are talking about combustible panels being glued onto fire resistant concrete. How much testing is actually required here if you don't have access to the internet?

The whole thing is madness. Last week I had to fire proof an RSJ I installed to comply with regulation. Have you ever tried setting light to an RSJ?

Before and after:

(https://preview.ibb.co/f7Tp4a/IMG_20170615_160203709_HDR.jpg)

(https://preview.ibb.co/cyamja/IMG_20170623_152549650_HDR.jpg)
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 8ullfrog on July 03, 2017, 11:40:37 PM
How is that cladding still on market? Seems like the manufacturer needs some takata level attention.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on July 04, 2017, 12:33:54 AM
Last week I had to fire proof an RSJ I installed to comply with regulation. Have you ever tried setting light to an RSJ?

Before and after:

(https://preview.ibb.co/f7Tp4a/IMG_20170615_160203709_HDR.jpg)

(https://preview.ibb.co/cyamja/IMG_20170623_152549650_HDR.jpg)

that brings back memories of when I had my extension, failed at the first inspection for the RsJ not being fire proofed, yet didn't want to check if the extractor in the bathroom actually worked ???

Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on July 04, 2017, 04:15:06 PM
that brings back memories of when I had my extension, failed at the first inspection for the RsJ not being fire proofed, yet didn't want to check if the extractor in the bathroom actually worked ???

My BCO was a real tosser. He made me make 2 other things regulation that weren't in my brief. When it got to the point where he was questioning every little spot on the site, I just told him what he wanted to hear. He was asking me questions that just could not be true, and if you knew anything of the trade you'd have known that already, but I just said he was right in his findings and he looked pleased he'd discovered the truth. Totally bless'ed clueless.

When he was preaching to me I started asking whether he wanted it this way or that way as both approaches complied with regulation, and he just looked at me blankly and said he'd research it and call.

Totally bless'ed clueless (have I said that already).

In the Grenfell tower incident, I believe the contractors are the main ones to blame. They probably did what I did and sold it to the people in authority. The people in authority were probably as clueless and my BCO and ergo, a fire safe building is made into a fast burning candle.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on July 08, 2017, 12:23:15 AM
Not quite local but who are the G20 protesters, some are just rent a mob
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on August 18, 2017, 09:53:29 AM
such sadness in the world again.
to top it all Brucie has passed away :'(
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on August 18, 2017, 04:00:06 PM
such sadness in the world again.
to top it all Brucie has passed away :'(

At least Brucie had a good game, so to speak.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on October 21, 2017, 12:13:28 AM
Definitely not local but  "Mugabe named as goodwill ambassador by WHO" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-41702662 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-41702662)

I honestly dont know what to say to this.
Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on October 21, 2017, 03:59:38 PM
Definitely not local but  "Mugabe named as goodwill ambassador by WHO" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-41702662 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-41702662)

I honestly dont know what to say to this.
Spoiler (hover to show)

There was a time when episodes of The Twilight Zone seemed fantastical. Now real life has caught up, overtaken, and left that show flailing around the wind.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on October 22, 2017, 12:06:27 AM
WHO chief 'rethinking' Robert Mugabe's appointment http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-41711571 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-41711571)
well they do / may listen to criticism
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on March 14, 2018, 12:39:37 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43396008 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43396008)

Well S,Hawkins will now find out if there is a God or not ??
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on March 14, 2018, 03:05:09 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43396008 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43396008)

Well S,Hawkins will now find out if there is a God or not ??

Not if there isn't one.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 8ullfrog on March 14, 2018, 10:13:41 PM
Chump was in town, he was saying mexicans could climb over some walls, but not the prototypes we're paying 20$ million locally, just to defend. Let me repeat that, we're not paying that to defend the border, we're paying that to protect mock ups, and kids can't even play handball off the damn' things.

It sounded like he was saying "I like hearing good things, not bad things. If people tell me bad things, I fire them".

There used to be a three part restaurant by the airport that was easy to take family and visitors to, but that wasn't good enough for the city, so they bulldozed it, it's like a hole in my heart.

But I'm happy, because the developer naffs found a fault line and can't build the poo they wanted to. Plus they found underground sewer lines from Coronado Island and it's not like the Navy will let them golly with those.

 Their proposal still looks like garbage and rips the entire area apart. They claim they want to make the waterfront look like Barcelona. Good for them, I hope they golly off to barcelona.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on March 14, 2018, 11:40:43 PM
It sounds like they need to disinfect San Diego.

Everything I hear about Trump makes steam come out of my ears.  What an arrogant, stupid, morally bankrupt excuse for a human being.  Of course he has to pay people to have sex with him.  That border wall is one colossal waste of money.  We could repair countless potholes, bridges, and repair all kinds of aging infrastructure with that money. 

I'm glad to hear about the developer losing his shirt on his speculative deal that resulted in the demise of your restaurant. 
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 8ullfrog on March 20, 2018, 03:31:45 AM
They showed it being ripped apart on the local news.

The city could use dis infect ant anyway, with the hepatitis outbreak. The solution was shuffling the homeless out of tourist areas. Back in the 90's letterman joked about the scent of piss in the air before Juliani liquidated the homeless. A lot of them ended up in Chula vista, my neighboring city. That is to say, San Diego homeless and the piss smell, not the homeless Juliani liquidated.

I've been in the city, NYC, before and after that, and it's like they're aiming for a concrete soulless disneyland. There were laws against buildings blocking out blocks from the sun before bush. They got around them with corporate parks in the footprint of buildings. Imagine two benches in an L pattern around a sole, sad, stunted tree. Oh, and no one is allowed to sit there.

I don't like this future, I don't like it at all. Please get me a ticket to the reality where Bush was prosecuted and Gore won.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on March 20, 2018, 09:57:54 AM
Yeah.  That was a 1961 zoning ordinance that allowed for unlimited height for office buildings as long as there were public amenities such as plazas in front of the buildings.  We got some nice sterile fountains with uncomfortable stone benches.  The real estate is so costly there that you have to be an investment banker to live there now.  The end result is the lower East side is being redeveloped as a disneyland for hipsters.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on March 31, 2018, 12:19:23 AM
Some good news for me
In the next village there has opened a local brewery and over easter they have decided to open a pop up bar in their establishment. I od course had to show them my suppor so myself and wife trotted off to partake of a couple.
A very Nice oatmeal stout was drunk  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on May 18, 2020, 09:14:45 PM
So sad.  Dinosaurs who were too trusting for their own good.
 https://www.theonion.com/paleontologists-determine-dinosaurs-were-killed-by-some-1819577180 (https://www.theonion.com/paleontologists-determine-dinosaurs-were-killed-by-some-1819577180)
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on May 18, 2020, 11:59:52 PM
Some good news for me
In the next village there has opened a local brewery and over easter they have decided to open a pop up bar in their establishment. I od course had to show them my suppor so myself and wife trotted off to partake of a couple.
A very Nice oatmeal stout was drunk  ;D ;D

So a long while ago i posted this, glad to say that they are still going strong and have adapted uring these hard times to take away only ATM.
The cider maker is constantly planting new trees and keeping local land away from developers (although to be honest the land cannot be used for houses, but he does what he can to keep the area green).
And yes I do still go there more than anywhere else, great bunch of people.

So sad.  Dinosaurs who were too trusting for their own good.
 https://www.theonion.com/paleontologists-determine-dinosaurs-were-killed-by-some-1819577180 (https://www.theonion.com/paleontologists-determine-dinosaurs-were-killed-by-some-1819577180)

Isnt that always the way
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on May 29, 2020, 11:23:47 PM
So son had his graduation last night via a Zoom call
They were all dressed up (well top half was) with his Chemical Engineering mates.
My beer was hammered and sounded like fun to the early hours.
Pretty sad for them but save is not sorry.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on May 29, 2020, 11:58:53 PM
I feel for all those graduating seniors who are missing so many of the happy experiences with friends that normally mark this rite of passage.  It sounds like you are doing all you can to help in a frustrating time for him.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on May 31, 2020, 05:45:34 AM
I wondered as so much of the U.S is all over the global news with the reaction to George Floyd's death, if everyone over that side of the pond is affected by these troubles?

It reminds me too much of our Summer Riots back in 2011 which just went from bad to bloody awful. It was almost as if the rule of law just didn't exist temporarily.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on May 31, 2020, 11:56:30 PM
Watched the people in Trafalgar and no trouble.
USA is a play station game ATM. Horrific in some places. More looters and rioters around putting what the protesters are trying to achieve no where 
 
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on June 01, 2020, 01:18:15 AM
All the Target stores in the Bay area are closed because one was violently looted.  It's sad because this was a relatively new store in an underserved neighborhood and it's possible they'll yank the store due to the related risk.

There are groups that are peacefully protesting and then there are random groups that are roving around being violent.  People and businesses are getting hurt.  Many businesses are simply paying to have their doors and windows boarded up with protective plywood as it's cheaper than replacing the glass.  We got a call from the county emergency alert services tonight warning us of roving bands of violent actors.  There's a curfew imposed. 

The whole business is surreal.  There have been some tragic incidents of African Americans being arrested or killed by local police and this latest incident has pulled the scabs off the wounds.  Feelings are pretty raw.  And having an insensitive racist in the White House ain't helping matters, Quote:  "When the looting starts, the shooting starts."  Great leadership skills, right?
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on June 01, 2020, 02:24:12 AM
Ironically, and in line with this thread topic, I had protests just down the road from me as the American Embassy is near Battersea Power Station. All peaceful but there is always the risk that the professional looters will turn up and turn the event into something violent and chaotic.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on June 01, 2020, 04:51:20 PM
I hope you escape any violence.  We just got a phone call announcing that there's a curfew imposed through 6/5.  No going outside after 8 pm through 5 am.  That's pretty weird.  Not that I normally do go out that much these days with the pandemic still looming, but if you wanted to pop to the store for a pint of ice cream or some beer, etc., after 8, forget it. 
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: dweez on June 01, 2020, 06:16:47 PM
My sister's town, Kenosha, WI, also had a curfew implemented. She said there was multiple rioting areas going on and was pretty scared. Here in SW VA, it hasn't seemed "too bad" (coming from someone who rarely goes out and pays little attention to mainstream news). We did have a peaceful protest on our campus. SWAT was there in riot gear away from the event, near and "being visible" but was unnecessary. It's amazing the "mob mentality" can be as infectious, and as deadly, as COVID.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on June 02, 2020, 12:19:42 AM
We mainly see the bad news form USA and it looks terrible, vary rare the good where the police in smaller towns have also pretested, taking a knee with peaceful protesters 
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 8ullfrog on June 02, 2020, 01:47:58 AM
Not my town, but La Mesa had two banks burned down "in protest".  We'll see what tonight brings.

I don't know if my town has curfews, and I'm not remotely sure how I would check.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on June 02, 2020, 02:37:17 AM
I just happened to be watching CNN last night when Trump did his walkabout thing with the bible after the police had forcefully moved on the protesters. Pretty surreal stuff and very scary. I thought I'd wake today to America under fire.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 8ullfrog on June 02, 2020, 03:19:21 AM
The thing I don't get is at the political protests in past, they've engaged in a practice known as "kettling" to arrest 30 people at a time.

... Pick a Target. Throw the book at the kettle when they emerge from their loot "shopping".

eh, that would probably get thrown out as "entrapment".
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on June 02, 2020, 02:13:36 PM
I live near a pleasant shopping street with a Safeway, banks and several other independently owned shops and restaurants.  This morning, when I went for a walk, there were crews boarding up the windows and doors with fresh plywood.  It's pretty weird when the grocery store is boarded up.  There has been looting, but more like 5 miles away.  It's disturbing to see businesses demonstrate this kind of fear. 
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on June 02, 2020, 04:39:38 PM
I hope that it gets better and not worse.

The summer riots here continued unabated as the government was busy redeploying the police to areas (especially Stratford) that they could not afford the world media to report on and damage the prospects of the 2012 Olympics. While that might have helped areas of East London, it left the rest of the capital at the mercy of opportunist thugs. I remember clearly all the oiks waiting down the road at Clapham Junction with their Blackberries in hand, getting directions from organisers on where to loot. Of course, this then played out nation wide on a similar scale.

I fear the coronavirus offers the same blanket of cover for the thugs over there.
Title: golly the future
Post by: 8ullfrog on June 08, 2020, 12:15:11 AM
I heard they bent the golden gate bridge up so bad you can hear it screaming in berkley.

I mean, first I had to read some cowpoo on fox about the bridge singing, and I was like "This is not an 80's cartoon, bridges do not sing"

Turns out they hired a real bless'ed brain trust to fix the bridge, and they're dumb as a box of turds. They rigged it up like a harmonica. I'm not bullshitting you, they took the regular bridge handrail, and replaced it with a grid, like a bless'ed harmonica.

And when I said heard, I don't mean like I read about it, I watched the youtube video from CBS, because FOX left me dry, the gits.

So here you go:


The shitfucks who got the contract KNEW THIS WAS GONNA HAPPEN.

THIS FUTURE SUCKS ASS!
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on June 08, 2020, 08:26:15 PM
They've been trying to work on a design to discourage suicide attempts from the bridge for years.  Now it's singing.  Crikey.  I hadn't been close enough to hear that lately, but it's been really windy around here for about a week.  I have to keep picking up branches in the yard that have fallen off the trees.

I guess it could have been worse...
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on June 12, 2020, 11:48:58 PM
Saturday - more BLM protests  and dropping son off at his UNI house to finally close it down.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on July 05, 2020, 08:45:16 AM
Is Kanye for real this time? Would he be an improvement?

I'm really confused with Third-party presidential candidates. I mean, I get that someone can run with political affiliation, as an independent, or as "unpledged", but what happens to the Senate and the House of representatives.

I'm actually confusing myself even more talking about it.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on July 05, 2020, 09:09:34 AM
I'm about fed up with celebrities with no executive experience, and zero understanding of the nuances of governance running our country into the ground.  West is a joke.  I can't take him seriously.  And maybe it's because I find the whole Kardashian universe exemplary of stuff that's seriously wrong with our culture, but I wish he'd just go back to being rich and annoying in other ways.

If his idiocy leaves us with another 4 years of Trump, we've been seriously considering emigrating and that would compel us to leave.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on July 05, 2020, 09:58:04 AM
I'm about fed up with celebrities with no executive experience, and zero understanding of the nuances of governance running our country into the ground.  West is a joke.  I can't take him seriously.  And maybe it's because I find the whole Kardashian universe exemplary of stuff that's seriously wrong with our culture, but I wish he'd just go back to being rich and annoying in other ways.

If his idiocy leaves us with another 4 years of Trump, we've been seriously considering emigrating and that would compel us to leave.

Well you'd be more than welcome this side of the pond. Just make sure you bring an umbrella.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on July 05, 2020, 10:32:49 AM
Thanks, smokes.  I had to laugh.  Every day my husband comes home from work and sits down in front of the tv to watch Escape to the Country (a BBC production that shows people leaving London or other congested environments to settle in a new life in a gorgeous rural setting).  The real estate is so beautiful, converted cow barns, quaint thatched village centers, old stone houses, and gardens to die for.

He'd move to the UK in a heartbeat.  I would miss my citrus fruit, but think I'd somehow adjust.  At least I could get a more reliable source of tea without ordering it from abroad.  I'm sure you guys have your share of problems with government and social issues, but, the grass is always greener... who knows?
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 8ullfrog on July 05, 2020, 05:55:04 PM
I think the worst part about Kanye marrying into that shitshow, attempting politics, and sucking up to Trump is that he made some of the best technical beats I have EVER heard.

But then his brain melted and he found Jesus.

His actual rapping skills I could take or leave, and I really wish he didn't sing. But those beats are untouchable.

Not really local though, he's from Chicago.

To avoid the 24 hour hellscape of the news I've been pulling stand up routines for mom on youtube. She likes Hannibal Burress. I like him too.
He's got a new special out and released it on youtube.

We also watched one of Mitch Hedberg's specials, the one where he's in front of like, a sun? That was a good special, and I could see the tension and anxiety fall off mom's face.

One person got copped for fireworks in my neighborhood, but he's an bottom, at least once a month he'll blast an obnoxious album from his apartment, last week it was BODY COUNT.

He didn't have flashy fireworks, or strings of crackers, he had those lousy ones that shake everything.

That's not really news though.  Our beaches were already closed because of Mexican Sewage, but the Mayor Pro Tem today accused Mexico of INTENTIONALLY flooding the ocean with sewage because they accuse the US of water theft.

That's the war I want. golly Mexico up for constantly pumping sewage into the ocean like a Captain Planet villain.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on July 05, 2020, 08:16:55 PM
60 minutes did a segment on the sewage outflows from Mexico and its effects on the American inhabitants of the borderlands.  Sewage and toxic waste.  There are two segments and one is behind a paywall.   Here's the one I could find.
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/raw-sewage-southern-california-coast-tijuana-mexico-60-minutes-2020-05-31/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/video/raw-sewage-southern-california-coast-tijuana-mexico-60-minutes-2020-05-31/)

We watch Stewart Lee, sometimes, Wanda Sykes on occasion.  There's plenty of gifted comedians and those are generally better to watch than the actual news.

The only KW piece I found after listening to 5 that fits your description of beats is "Golddigger."  The rest is like "rap artist goes Vegas" and not particularly compelling.  But maybe I'm old school.  I like drum and bass, but this is kind of dull derivative stuff for the most part, with slick video production and a host of distinguished guest vocalists.

Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 8ullfrog on July 05, 2020, 08:23:01 PM
I remember one year our city triggered a contract between the City and Mexico to turn off some valves at a co-funded pump station.

When they arrived the pumps were chained open.

It reminds me of the Westerns my mom watches.

For me that link was paywalled.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on July 05, 2020, 08:26:53 PM
What's kind of sick about all of this is that there's a piece on 60 minutes right now about how the government refuses to fix the water purity situation in Flint, MI. 

This country was once the envy of the world with its infrastructure.  But infrastructure is expensive and politicians seem to get mileage with the simplistic tax cuts strategy to get and remain elected.  It's quite irritating.  I wish there was a holodeck that we could send those "limited government" guys to that would allow them to see how bad things get when we go full Hobbesian.  No fire departments, no schools, no hospitals, no social safety nets of any kind, and go arm yourself to the teeth because there ain't no police coming to save your ass.  You want to cross a river? Go get a boat.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 8ullfrog on July 05, 2020, 08:44:09 PM
Canada dumped sewage into the ocean until the 1970's.

When I lived up in Encinitas they had a water treatment plant that let out into the ocean. I always found that amusing as that's a HUGE tourist beach.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on July 05, 2020, 09:08:34 PM
I think most American coastal cities emptied sewage into local waterways until after WW2.  NYC had pipes emptying sewage into the East River (and on the West side, the Hudson), but by the 1950's they had installed a network of pipes to direct the effluent into a series of treatment plants.

Generally, the pipes were pretty long, so the idea was to dilute the effluent so as to minimize its return to shore.  But I don't think swimming in that area would be a great idea.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 8ullfrog on July 05, 2020, 11:12:54 PM
Like I said, biggest tourist beach in the area. People hated my beach because it nearly vanished at high tide, but no sewage.

I imagine the rent in the house I lived in then would now be astronomical, and that it's an AB&B.

Moonlight Beach, Encinitas, CA, 92024.  If you look just north of the beach, right before the house, you can see where they pipe the water out.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on July 07, 2020, 08:01:22 AM
lockdown again  :o
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on July 09, 2020, 07:38:38 AM
lockdown again  :o

Well ish that is, drove to work and looked like a rave had occurred. How come with girls the worse the weather the less they wear  :o.
And the usual sweatshops slaving away
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 8ullfrog on July 10, 2020, 04:26:53 AM
Some downtown restaurants got creative setting up "balconies" in the bike lane with cement and plastic picket fences from Home Depot.

I can't imagine SDPD are too happy with those visionaries.

I imagine if you rode into one of those by accident you'd be impaled up under your jaw, which would be gruesome.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on July 10, 2020, 10:04:36 AM
That does sound like a nightmare.  Hopefully the bikers will just move onto other safer streets.

Our town has instituted a series of 'Slow Streets' allowing mostly pedestrian and bike traffic, with only local traffic allowed (like cars cutting through from one street to another when there is no other connecting street), no driving down the street, in other words.  It makes for some creative re-routing when driving, but it's nice to see families and kids strolling down the streets.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on July 11, 2020, 08:52:27 AM
I know a lot of places have been criticising certain people's attitude to the lockdown and comparing one with another. Leicester, as we know, has been put back into lockdown due to their percentage of people testing positive accounting for 10% of the nation's count overall. I have heard it blamed on people their not distancing themselves from others and failures to follow the guidelines. Frankly, I think its just bad luck as here is a shot of a couple of pubs here in Battersea 2 weeks before their reopening exploiting the "take-away" rule.

(https://imghost.diasfora.co.uk/albums/Diasfora-General/battersealockdown.jpg)

You can see up the road that not only have the people failed to understand the distancing thing, but also the meaning of the term "take-away".
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on July 11, 2020, 01:02:02 PM
This might seem strange to say, but I guess we should be grateful that there is not an even more serious disease with a higher fatality rate on the loose.  This is a prediction of how people behave even when death can result from irresponsible behavior.

Can you imagine how bad it would be if the pathogen was as fatal as something like Ebola?

Americans are hopeless.  Even though stores around here won't let you in without a mask, people wander the aisles with their masks pulled down below their noses, or worse.  I go as little as necessary.  The length of time this has gone on is sort of sad and frustrating, and I don't see an end in sight soon.  Now the big issue is whether to send children back to school in the Fall.  Of course the President, in his all knowing all seeing wisdom, is totally behind any activity that helps with his numbers since he seems preoccupied with getting re-elected.  I'm sure parents are at their wits' end trying to educate children at home, but I guess teachers' lives are expendable as are the school bus drivers, cafeteria workers and every other person whose occupation would be essential to this plan.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on July 11, 2020, 02:55:08 PM
We might have the new G4 swine flu to deal with soon and lord knows how fatal that might turn out to be. That is unless China made the story up to demonstrate how overt and forthcoming they are when discovering new viruses.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 8ullfrog on July 11, 2020, 10:04:35 PM
I sort of hate the way in this discussion, education is being treated as daycare, instead of, you know, the installation of knowledge into growing minds.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on July 11, 2020, 10:28:08 PM
I sort of hate the way in this discussion, education is being treated as daycare, instead of, you know, the installation of knowledge into growing minds.

Ha.  Most people treat educators like glorified babysitters.  They get paid poo wages and few benefits.  It's one of the most exploitative fields going.  Of course, parents assume that it's somebody else's responsibility to take their kids off their hands at the government's expense.  I expect most people want their children's minds to grow and be enriched by the experience, but they don't want to pay for it, because how hard could it be to be trained as an educator?  And, of course, Trump expects children to go to school even if we end up killing off about 14k in the process (estimated fatalities from COVID exposure is .02%).  If we won't pass common sense gun legislation to safeguard children in school, why should we give a flying you know what about their potential exposure to a deadly disease?  This country is screwed up in so many ways, I hardly know what to say.  But it's telling that nobody wants to spend the time or money to insure quality and safe education under the current situation.  They probably think moving a few desks or something should do the trick.

Needless to say, teachers are pretty unhappy with this.  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/11/us/virus-teachers-classrooms.html?smtyp=cur&smid=fb-nytimes&fbclid=IwAR2wujipkST4fZpkMblL3ka08mxmAJG8dJIUN4Osmm-spaPKSzaV6U8u7KY (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/11/us/virus-teachers-classrooms.html?smtyp=cur&smid=fb-nytimes&fbclid=IwAR2wujipkST4fZpkMblL3ka08mxmAJG8dJIUN4Osmm-spaPKSzaV6U8u7KY)
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on July 12, 2020, 12:20:53 PM
These days I watch more CNN news and the Euronews channel as, frankly, they are more interesting. I am left wondering where the CNN news stands with americans? I mean, here, the BBC news is considered the most reliable and impartial (the latter not an opinion everyone shares). This is then followed by Channel 4's news and then ITV's, Channel 5's and Sky news are all sort of tabloid versions that you have to take with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on July 12, 2020, 03:16:22 PM
We don't have cable so don't watch CNN except for the occasional clip posted to FB.
My general take is that they tend to sensationalize things and feel a need to fill up airtime because of their 24 hour news cycle.  We were in a hotel once and they were giving 5 minute updates a couple times each hour about a missing boy scout in Texas (who had wandered off on a camping trip and was eventually found).  Venezuela might have been melting down, but we got updates on a boy scout.  They also have foaming at the mouth op-ed programs  on current issues--mostly politics-- that are not particularly measured but good at stirring up passions.

Despite that, they don't really offer as reliable coverage as BBC World, Deutsche Welle, RT (Russia Today) or NHK World-Japan.  All of these are available via free over the air broadcasts in our market.  The US equivalent of BBC, PBS (Public Broadcasting Service), has The News Hour, a nightly hour long program that offers more in depth coverage than the major networks:   ABC, CBS, NBC.  Fox is generally understood as a partisan mouthpiece that is unreliable as a news source.  The regular network news is ok as far as it goes but often repeats information available online or via text sources earlier in the day.  Local and breaking news are often best sourced via television.  That's about it.

For newspapers, I rely on the NY Times and the Washington Post for national and international news.  That's probably more than you wanted to know.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on July 12, 2020, 05:19:04 PM
To leap in with an over-generalisation:

The issue, in these days of social media bully-boy gangs and "relative truth" is that "Americans" don't watch CNN: Republicans watch FOX, Democrats watch CNN. Democrats are appalled by the events shown on CNN, but Republicans aren't because they don't watch it (as they are convinced that they wouldn't believe it). Similarly for Fox (but the other way round, obvs.)

The BBC - along with al modern news media - suffers from the ailment that it thinks (because of the mostly unwarranted criticism of "bias") to be "impartial" it has to present both sides of an argument - even when one side is patently ridiculous. This leads to over-representation of minority and wacky positions.

It (with everyone else) also suffers from the cult of celebrity, where the "reporters" see themselves as the stars, and their interviewees as the supporting cast. They tend to the lazy point of view that the best way to the "heart of the issue" is provocative criticism: they seem to be relatively even-handed in their criticism, but that means that all parties are equally convinced that the criticism of their pet topics represents bias.

The BBC have resisted the glossy lipstick/ bouffant hair "celebrity presenter" approach to news rather better than the others (but not completely), and so are closer to "news" than the others.

In my opinion.

I'd add that, yes, Democrats tend to watch CNN.  My sister in law gets it and she has it on non-stop.  So I get treated to it there.  And find it sort of annoying, mostly because of the sensationalized aspect.  I think it was one of those Ted Turner inventions, along with TNT (Turner Network Television).  I don't think it did much to advance the cause of quality journalism in the U.S.

I also like that NHK Japan World gives the weather globally, which is pretty interesting.  It's nice to know how hot it is in Zimbabwe once in a while.  Tends to yank one out of the "where I live is the center of the universe" thinking habit.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on July 12, 2020, 11:56:16 PM
I know a lot of places have been criticising certain people's attitude to the lockdown and comparing one with another. Leicester, as we know, has been put back into lockdown due to their percentage of people testing positive accounting for 10% of the nation's count overall. I have heard it blamed on people their not distancing themselves from others and failures to follow the guidelines.
The lockdown was approx 2 weeks too late, hospitals were full of "Minority" people 2 weeks after EID, first covid testing stations were put in Spinny Hill park which the local Asian community protested, Whilst videos of them playing cricket games and then the news of Sweatshops and refusal of closing them came into the national news.
Leicester city Mayor complained about this with a stating thr % of infected was wrong and they only closed Leicester due to being a Labour strong hold.The same mayor who was caught out breaking the original lockdown visiting his #friend " to do some DIY.
The present lockdown has only closed shops / pubs as people are still not social distancing, with the same communities not adhering to the rules even flaunting it, According to Mayor Soulsbry, Evington one of the most deprived areas in Leicester and has no cases.If that area is deprived I wonder what well off is as some Houses are on par with the South Coast.
Anyone and it has been published knows where the problems are but nothing will be done about it for fear of being branded a certain name.
We may be the firts to "wack a moled" but doubt the last.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on July 13, 2020, 03:57:11 PM
To leap in with an over-generalisation:

The issue, in these days of social media bully-boy gangs and "relative truth" is that "Americans" don't watch CNN: Republicans watch FOX, Democrats watch CNN. Democrats are appalled by the events shown on CNN, but Republicans aren't because they don't watch it (as they are convinced that they wouldn't believe it). Similarly for Fox (but the other way round, obvs.)

The BBC - along with al modern news media - suffers from the ailment that it thinks (because of the mostly unwarranted criticism of "bias") to be "impartial" it has to present both sides of an argument - even when one side is patently ridiculous. This leads to over-representation of minority and wacky positions.

It (with everyone else) also suffers from the cult of celebrity, where the "reporters" see themselves as the stars, and their interviewees as the supporting cast. They tend to the lazy point of view that the best way to the "heart of the issue" is provocative criticism: they seem to be relatively even-handed in their criticism, but that means that all parties are equally convinced that the criticism of their pet topics represents bias.

The BBC have resisted the glossy lipstick/ bouffant hair "celebrity presenter" approach to news rather better than the others (but not completely), and so are closer to "news" than the others.

In my opinion.

This makes sense as I really asked as CNN does nothing but Trump bash. Ok, it also has a few short reports on african entrepreneurism, but mainly Trump bashing.

I got the feeling that I was not watching TV news like I might had I been in the States.

Either way, I quite enjoy the Trump bashing.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 8ullfrog on July 13, 2020, 04:27:00 PM
Governor re-closed a ton of poo, and made another tone-deaf reference.

He said this isn't an on-off lightswitch, it's like a dimmer switch.

No poo Newsom. The problem is keeping the idiots hands off the bless'ed switch.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on July 13, 2020, 11:51:12 PM
Our dog is poorly, Wife got him when her mother died 11 years ago and out of no where he has kidney
failure. I'm gutted, but the wife is devastated.
For the short time we are privileged to be allowed to have them it has been fun.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on July 14, 2020, 12:27:18 AM
I'm sorry for your dog's decline.  I'm sure there is an aspect of having him there that enables your mother in law to live on a bit, so if he passes away, it's another sort of finality.

My bird is recovering but still unwell.  I'm not sure if he will ever really get better.  I still haven't gotten lab results and it's been over a week.  I'm spending as much time with him as I can and giving him treats.  The fact that he has an appetite is encouraging.  He wants to play, but he's pretty weak compared to how he used to be, so that's pretty sad.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 8ullfrog on July 14, 2020, 03:29:36 AM
in my locale everything is being shut again.

I made the (in my mind) humorous suggestion that if a church has a faith healer capable of curing Covid, The governor would likely issue a waiver on restrictions for said church.

On the Fox5 news facebook.

It is now reliably stated that I am Retar      D!




Everyone dancing on trump is being dumb and stunting on nothing. He's gotten away with EVERYTHING so far, there is no smoking gun.

Go back the other guy, stop trying to score dunks on ORANGE MAN.

I saw a state paid for ad where they show someone in a bed on a ventilator. AND THEN THE AD SAYS IT'S YOUR MOM.

I was about ready to go out and claim some Natzi Scalps.


I've read that Orange County (Somewhat adjacent to LA)

and Carlsbad (Somewhat adjacent to San Diego) have particularly high numbers. When asked why, a sad person said "They're prideful. They think they can't be infected, and they won't wear masks."

The virus, is apparently, something for poor people.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on July 14, 2020, 07:24:16 AM
Although I avoid CNN, I still get exposed to daily Trump bashing on FB, where a select few "friends" have feeds that are function as daily ventings of outrage.   We've all known he's terrible since before he even assumed office.  What's the point?

He thrives on publicity.  Remove that oxygen and he'll likely shrivel up.  And despite its claims to fairmindedness, the PBS News Hour also falls into the camp of making too great an effort to be "objective" by allowing both sides an equal voice.  Sometimes that helps.  In this case, when you have children in cages, separated from their parents due to cruel immigration policies, or people dying because of an ignoramus who believes in polls over science, there's no benefit to give both sides equal weight.  I really don't give a rat's patoot what the anti maskers think.  They should all be quarantined together until we figure out a way to insure public safety.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 8ullfrog on July 14, 2020, 07:29:40 AM
I want some Pizza. I want a Carne Asada. I want basic life back instead of living off grocery orders.

and yet I wear the stupid mask.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on July 14, 2020, 10:25:35 AM
I got fed up with it when I realised that it was pointless, and maybe counter productive. When you are preaching to the choir you aren't helping, and for a non-believer looking in it just confirms your prejudice.

... but as noted above, the alternative is to try to be even-handed, where even-handedness is ridiculous.

My recommendation would be to stop reporting things that are done purely for the sake of publicity: treat all "celebrities" the same, and confine them to the programmes to which they apply, not the news.

... the problem with that is the "news" channels are 24 hours, and have to have something to fill their time. It may be that the "news" organisations - and their sponsors/ advertisers - are "value-free" they don't care if what they report hurts or helps, they are in it for the bums on seats, so the more scandal they can find/ whip up the better for the ratings. I think that the BBC is slightly less prone to this, but only slightly less. (with the notable exception of the Kuenssbergs/ Pestons of this world, who would be right at home on a US 24-hour "news" show)

I forgot to mention that I am also kinda keen on Erica Hill.

How shallow am I?..
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on July 14, 2020, 10:37:49 AM
She's lovely.  I'd forgotten who she was and then found this video of her.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/11/22/erica-hill-reacts-charlie-rose-allegations-sot-ebof.cnn (https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/11/22/erica-hill-reacts-charlie-rose-allegations-sot-ebof.cnn)  BTW, not a day goes by that I want to madam slap Charlie Rose.  What a moron.  His show was just great and he screwed it up for all of us because he couldn't contain his own urges. 
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on July 14, 2020, 10:46:39 AM
She's lovely.  I'd forgotten who she was and then found this video of her.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/11/22/erica-hill-reacts-charlie-rose-allegations-sot-ebof.cnn (https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/11/22/erica-hill-reacts-charlie-rose-allegations-sot-ebof.cnn)  BTW, not a day goes by that I want to madam slap Charlie Rose.  What a moron.  His show was just great and he screwed it up for all of us because he couldn't contain his own urges.

She really is quite lovely physically but she is also engaging in her delivery too.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on July 23, 2020, 05:19:04 AM
So, yesterday, Smokes' junior, at the tender age of 17, passed his driving test at his first attempt. It also completed phase one of my plan to get free lifts home from the pub.

Congrats to both of us then.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on July 23, 2020, 08:41:33 AM
So, yesterday, Smokes' junior, at the tender age of 17, passed his driving test at his first attempt. It also completed phase one of my plan to get free lifts home from the pub.
Congrats to both of us then.
good idea


In a quashquash?

... buy the boy a Jag!

Congrats.

Even better in London
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: dweez on July 23, 2020, 10:30:33 AM
Congrats to your son, smokes! (and to you!) Now he can start earning his keep running errands and such (we'll just fail to bring up all the free tech support he provides).
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on July 23, 2020, 11:04:43 AM
In a quashquash?

... buy the boy a Jag!

Congrats.

Yeah, we both saw this suggestion coming but we were thinking more F-Pace which prolly doesn't sit that well with you.

Congrats to your son, smokes! (and to you!) Now he can start earning his keep running errands and such (we'll just fail to bring up all the free tech support he provides).

By all accounts he'll be in Manchester in September (not guaranteed) so I may well give him the quashquash. That is if I can get insurance for him that isn't 5 figures.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on July 23, 2020, 09:34:46 PM
He seems very capable and I'm not surprised to hear he passed, but you must still be proud.  It's frustrating to have his college plans derailed by this pandemic.  Are they having any on campus instruction in the fall?
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on July 24, 2020, 03:42:49 PM
He seems very capable and I'm not surprised to hear he passed, but you must still be proud.  It's frustrating to have his college plans derailed by this pandemic.  Are they having any on campus instruction in the fall?

Halls are pretty much as they should be by way of cost etc, but there is this proposed system of small study groups that would have to also sort of share. Not that clear how it will all play out and I wouldn't be averse to him re-doing the year and sitting all his exams as normal. However, it he gets given top marks it could be folly to take the chance on trying to replicate those in real life.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on August 14, 2020, 11:35:19 PM
Had to find and buy daughter a new motor last night or I should say she found the car.
First year of driving and she somehow rolled hers into a countryside ditch last sunday, was so deep that the police went passed her twice and dint notice the car.
She managed to climb out through the passenger window (as facing upwards) and scramble trough the brambles and thorn bushed, her legs are a mess.
Thankfully some kind women droves and stopped for her when the police turned up and then a ambulance by chance.
Not a phone call you want at 8pm sunday night after a few shandies.
Luckily her back is stiff and neck and the cuts is only thing wrong. Recovery chap said she was lucky to be alive as the car entering the ditch caused a dam stopping water escaping and if she was unconscious and no knew she was there then end of story, he produced a photo of another recovery where a similar accident causing the death of a person he attended as car on roof and no one knew lad was in it and drowned
As she drives like Miss Daisy it came as a shock.
Dreading the insurance bill next year for her.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on August 15, 2020, 04:40:19 AM
That sounds really scary.  I'm glad she's basically ok, but, wow.  You must have been frantic thinking of how much worse it could have been.  Hopefully insurance will cover some of the replacement vehicle.  I hope she recovers soon.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on August 15, 2020, 04:47:56 AM
insurance will offer something.
bit of a mental problem atm but shes back out on the road so all seems better
scared the hell out of us though
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: dweez on August 15, 2020, 08:44:34 AM
Wow, glad everything turned out ok. Hope she got checked out at the hospital. Issues have a way of cropping up a few days later.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on August 15, 2020, 04:02:14 PM
Had to find and buy daughter a new motor last night or I should say she found the car.
First year of driving and she somehow rolled hers into a countryside ditch last sunday, was so deep that the police went passed her twice and dint notice the car.
She managed to climb out through the passenger window (as facing upwards) and scramble trough the brambles and thorn bushed, her legs are a mess.
Thankfully some kind women droves and stopped for her when the police turned up and then a ambulance by chance.
Not a phone call you want at 8pm sunday night after a few shandies.
Luckily her back is stiff and neck and the cuts is only thing wrong. Recovery chap said she was lucky to be alive as the car entering the ditch caused a dam stopping water escaping and if she was unconscious and no knew she was there then end of story, he produced a photo of another recovery where a similar accident causing the death of a person he attended as car on roof and no one knew lad was in it and drowned
As she drives like Miss Daisy it came as a shock.
Dreading the insurance bill next year for her.

Damn! Bloody scary stuff. Hope she get's her confidence back soon and the best medicine is to get back in the saddle.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on August 15, 2020, 11:28:31 PM
we purchased another friday night
A nice little 60bhp corsa
she drove saturday and the drive shaft snapped on her
she needed to get in a car to drive as the accident did mess with her mind, she said after a quick drive she felt a lot better so seems ok for now.
just got to repair the car, luckily the seller has offered to pay half and coupled with my father is a oldewr grease monkey and knows the right people it shouldnt cost much
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on August 19, 2020, 05:18:13 AM
The boy has made it to man-dom today so we're having lunch and a pint or two.

Good news is a get most of the day off as it's been brutal these last few months. I might have to work until the other makes 18 so I'm going to savour it for all the right reasons.

Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on August 19, 2020, 03:38:31 PM
Congrats to the wee yin.

Just got from dinner and the pub and I'm well squiffy. The TNG, on the other hand, is none the worse.

Thanks big C.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on August 19, 2020, 08:21:10 PM
Glad to hear of your nice evening with the son.  Congrats. 
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on August 21, 2020, 04:46:58 PM
TNG corrected me by explaining that although he is doing computer science and math for 4 years, they are technically the same degree.

Sounds fair I 'spose.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on August 22, 2020, 12:10:18 AM
18 already wow. times fly's .
Nice one
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on August 23, 2020, 12:34:15 PM
That was deliberate trolling.

I'm not going to bite. I'm not even going to notice. No siree bob.

This would make sense if I hadn't taken the TNG and 10 of his mates out last night to a Thai restaurant with the instruction that they could all order all that the wanted to eat and drink without limit. The problem I seem to have listened to my own instruction too well, especially the bit about the drink.

Yep, I'm mullered.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on August 23, 2020, 04:07:12 PM
That's one way to be popular with your son's friends.   ;)
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: dweez on August 23, 2020, 04:40:12 PM
Yep, I'm mullered.

That's one way to be popular with your son's friends.   ;)

And unpopular with the missus!  ;D
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on August 24, 2020, 03:09:51 PM
That's one way to be popular with your son's friends.   ;)

They were every respectful and it only cost me about £30 a head. When I took the labourers out a couple of Christmases ago, it was more like £60.

And unpopular with the missus!  ;D

I'm always unpopular with her.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on September 11, 2020, 11:13:31 AM
I hope all goes well.  That's pretty scary.  Fingers crossed that she'll be fine in a little while.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on September 11, 2020, 03:35:09 PM
Nobody told the new granddaughter that she was due in December, so she arrived last week (25 weeks):

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/7g2h3ppbixmt7he/Baby.jpeg?raw=1)

I foresee months of pain and heartache for the new parents.

Many, many congrats grandpops. Best wishes to the family too and the exact same thing happened to one of my friends/clients right in the middle of the COVID madness. It was really difficult for them due to hospital restrictions but everything went really well and the litlun is doing just fine.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on September 11, 2020, 11:21:16 PM
Nobody told the new granddaughter that she was due in December, so she arrived last week (25 weeks):

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/7g2h3ppbixmt7he/Baby.jpeg?raw=1)

I foresee months of pain and heartache for the new parents.
firstly Congratulations on becoming a grandfather
grandfather Christ doesn't sound right  -  grandfather time maybe.

Both of my sisters children were born prematurely (each weighed less than a bag of sugar)
The staff at the Hospitals are great. Both are now strapping young adults. Worry will be the worst for you all.
Sure they will be OK
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: dweez on September 12, 2020, 03:00:58 AM
Congrats christ, to you and the happy parents. She looks like she's got a strong grip there.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on September 13, 2020, 05:05:41 AM
tic tock when will we be locked down again
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 8ullfrog on September 16, 2020, 09:29:40 PM
My city asked that 600 cases not be counted... for reasons. The governor scoffed.

It was UCSD, buncha lousy freshmen think they're immortal.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on September 17, 2020, 09:23:55 AM
were getting closer
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on September 17, 2020, 12:47:08 PM
Big day tomorrow with my first born being transplanted from London to Manchester. I'm driving him and staying there overnight so it should be a lot of fun.

Not really sad at all, more satified that the plan I had 19 years ago has finally checked out. It's been tweaked a little, but hardly noticeable overall.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on September 17, 2020, 03:08:03 PM
"Plan"? Likely story.

You, of all people, know that likely to be true.

All he has to do now is ace his degree (and subsequent learning), get an excellent job, secure his future and then buy his dad a Maserati. Then the plan will be complete.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: dweez on September 17, 2020, 05:18:13 PM
Wish him well and good fortune from me! (but jazz it up with some hip phrases the kids use today)
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: dweez on September 18, 2020, 06:18:41 AM
... some hip phrases the kids use today
Because there is a bunch of pelvic-related slang today!

I'm sure there's a ball-and-socket euphemism out there somewhere.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: 6pairsofshoes on September 18, 2020, 06:21:10 AM
smokes, I hope he thrives there, and I fully expect that he will.  But won't you miss having him at home?
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: dweez on September 18, 2020, 10:07:27 AM
But won't you miss having him at home?

Yeah, long-distance tech support can suck.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on September 18, 2020, 10:46:02 PM
Yeah, long-distance tech support can suck.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on September 19, 2020, 02:57:09 PM
Wish him well and good fortune from me! (but jazz it up with some hip phrases the kids use today)

He already has a reverance for you so your sentiment is all that's needed.

smokes, I hope he thrives there, and I fully expect that he will.  But won't you miss having him at home?

It's a mixed feeling really. I have a tight relationship and, in many ways, I depend on him so it is feels like a real loss. On the other hand, there is the realisation that he is now no longer a child and that our relationship is more akin to the type I have with my good friends. That feels like a gain so I guess it's okay on balance.

Yeah, long-distance tech support can suck.

Thankfully, he has to come home every 7 or 8 weeks for his orthodontist so I'll probably have a list ready every time he does.

;D ;D ;D ;D

Drove through Leicester yesterday and thought about you mate.
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: goldshirt*9 on September 19, 2020, 11:58:16 PM
Drove through Leicester yesterday and thought about you mate.
buggar, could have had a shandie
Title: Re: Local News
Post by: smokester on September 20, 2020, 10:56:54 AM
buggar, could have had a shandie

If I continue to miss the M6 I'm guessing it won't be my last passing through.