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Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons?
« on: March 10, 2009, 08:48:25 AM »
Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons? We'll Probably Find Out Soon EnoughBy Scott Thill, AlterNet
Posted on March 10, 2009, Printed on March 10, 2009
http://www.alternet.org/story/130892/

Last year, one of the most deadly earthquakes on record devastated China, killing over 80,000 people and rendering millions homeless. Yet last month, reports surfaced stating that the 8.0 magnitude Great Sichuan Earthquake could have possibly been induced not by Earth but its people. Particularly, the ones that decided to build the 4-year-old Zipingpu reservoir, which held 320 million tons of water, near a major fault line.

It is rumored that Chinese geologist Geng Qingguo, who reportedly predicted the 1976 Tangshan earthquake, had sent a letter to China's Premier Wen Jiabao predicting the same for Sichuan. Evidently, he had been talking about it for months, years depending on who you read, but to no avail.

Of course, Geng is no Nostradamus, just a geologist with a firm grasp of what scientists in his discipline refer to as induced seismicity, basically earthquakes created by humanity. Currently, there are only a few ways humans can conventionally make earthquakes: Fossil fuel, groundwater or mining extractions, and erecting massive structures like buildings or dams.

"Dams have been implicated in reservoir-induced seismicity, and there is a vigorous debate whether Zipingpu dam may have triggered the Wenchuan Earthquake," explained Nicholas Sitar, professor of geoengineering and an expert on seismology at the University of California, Berkeley, who traveled to Sichuan to study the 2008 quake.

"However, the larger picture is that strain has been building up in that region, and the quake was probably overdue. Of course, we do not know if the outcome would be any different if the quake happened a few years from now on its own. In most recent quakes, the difference in the magnitude of the loss of life had more to do with time of the day than anything else. In Wenchuan, the schools were in full session when they collapsed."

Fair enough, but concern, and conspiracy theory, is mounting that humanity is intent on weaponizing earthquakes through means other than gross negligence or good intentions. Or already has.

Much of the controversy originates with the visionary scientist Nikola Tesla, whose revolutionary accomplishments in the fields of electricity and magnetism has since paved the way for everything from wireless communication and power to robotics, ballistics, nuclear physics and much more, including, for our purposes, telegeodynamics.

"It becomes possible to convey mechanical effects to the greatest terrestrial distances and produce all kinds of unique effects of inestimable value to science, industry and the arts," Tesla explained to reporters at his 79th birthday gathering in 1935 at the Hotel New Yorker, during which he also unveiled his plans for he described as "controlled earthquakes." Of course, he forgot to mention the "inestimable value" such an invention would have for the American military, who Tesla courted more than once with remote-controlled or directed-energy weaponry, but probably not by accident.

Two days after Tesla died in 1943, the government confiscated all of his papers, and the FBI declared them classified until further notice. That notice still stands.

"Rumors and Tesla go together," says journalist, humorist and author Tom McNichol, who wrote about Tesla's public feud with Thomas Edison in AC/DC: The Savage Tale of the First Standards War. "Tesla was the mad genius, equal parts madness and genius. Whenever anyone comes up with a superweapon, they usually say it is inspired by him. And though he was interested in beam weapons, telegeodynamics, death rays and more, he died almost penniless. But never rule anything out. I bet you when one of these weapons comes to fruition, Tesla's hand will be in there somewhere."

It would seem logical that Tesla's indirect hand is currently in the Air Force Research Laboratory's High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, colloquially known as HAARP, in Alaska.

In short, HAARP is military project that is conducting bleeding-edge experiments in ionospheric measurement, communication, enhancement and, according to some persuasive conspiracy theorists, weaponization. HAARP critics explain that the facility is capable of manipulating the ionosphere, at best causing artificial light shows on par with Alaska's aurora borealis and, at worst, flooding Earth with electromagnetic waves that could do everything from disrupt satellites and missiles to create earthquakes and modify weather patterns.

In 1995, concern hit a crescendo upon the publication of Nick Begich's and Jeane Manning's Angels Don't Play This HAARP: Advances in Tesla Technology, which was passed off as conspiracy theory, no doubt fueled by the fact that Begich's father, Rep. Nick Begich Sr., D-Alaska, mysteriously disappeared in Alaska in 1972. Throw the continually controversial Tesla into the mix and you have a nearly bottomless source of plausible deniability for the military.

But for how long? From recent revelations on the various military uses of HAARP to mysterious sonic booms and visible atmospheric phenomena in the sky preceding earthquakes in China, including the Tangshan tragedy, which by death toll is reportedly the most devastating earthquake of the 20th century, it is getting harder by the day to chalk these events up to Mother Earth.

It didn't help matters for those opposed to conspiracy theories that the New York Times allegedly reported that minutes before the Tangshan earthquake:

... the sky lit up like daylight. The multihued lights, mainly white and red, were seen up to 200 miles away. Leaves on many trees were burned to a crisp, and growing vegetables were scorched on one side, as if by a fireball.
Nor did it help that the Tangshan earthquake -- following on the heels of the timely deaths of Zhou Enlai, Zhu De and Mao Zedong -- drove a stake through the Cultural Revolution's heart, kick-starting the regime of Deng Xiaopeng, who opened China's once-closed doors to global economic expansion.

Three-fourths of China's communist Gang of Four dead within the same year a fireball-toting earthquake kills several hundred thousand people? No wonder the year is known in China as the "Curse of 1976."

China and its possibly man-made earthquakes in Tangshan, and now in Sichuan, both predicted by Geng Qingguo, have now unspooled into speculation that even the geologists at the United States Geological Survey cannot keep pace with.

"What's HAARP?" USGS geologist Walter Mooney asks, before I interview him about the possibility of using Earth itself as Tesla's directed-energy weapon. "You would have to be pretty advanced to induce earthquakes by electromagnetic waves or pulses to faults. Even tidal forces are not powerful enough to trigger earthquakes. In science, you can never say something is impossible, but it would seem to be unlikely in the extreme to assume humans could weaponize earthquakes."

Others were less diplomatic about the idea. "This sounds like UFO stuff to me," USGS public affairs officer Mike Gauldin cracked, when I contacted him about speaking to some of his scientists about the issue. Of course, his suspicions are well-founded, as are all suspicions, until they are confirmed or denied. Earthquake weaponization is still a severely speculative prospect. It conjures images of Gene Hackman's unhinged Lex Luthor, who launched nukes into San Andreas Fault in an attempt to split the state in half Richard Donner's film, Superman.

"The weapon with enough energy to initiate a fault rupture in a region that has sufficient build-up of stress, presumably a nuke," adds Sitar, "would create such devastation, that the earthquake damage would be completely incidental. Could one use an underground explosion with less fallout? Possibly, but I don't know of anyone with the know-how to actually determine how much would be needed and where exactly to put it for maximum effect. So, no concern. We have much nastier things to worry about."

For now, as the possibility resides in fringe science. But fringe science has a way of coming true; ask anyone who has experienced the displeasure of Raytheon's pain ray (thanks, Tesla!) or worked alongside an armed robot in Iraq. If the 20th century has taught us anything at all, it's that our science is only limited by our imagination. And we can dream up some seriously crazy poo, especially when we want to kill someone.

"There is a continuing interest in Tesla from Air Force guys saying, 'Say, wouldn't it be great if we had a ...' " McNichol cracks. "The government always comes back to him. And Tesla himself made claims during his tenure that were wildly out of line compared to what he actually had in his hands. He was his own conspiracy theorist before anyone could use him, so you can run with him in almost any direction you want.

"I went full circle on him. But I wouldn't at all be surprised if someone came up with weaponized earthquakes, or anything else, because of him."


Scott Thill runs the online mag Morphizm.com. His writing has appeared on Salon, XLR8R, All Music Guide, Wired and others.

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Re: Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2009, 09:19:48 AM »
When I first saw the article's title I thought here we go again with a billion Chinese jumping all at the same time theme.

If earthquake weapons technology becomes a reality, I wonder how they can avoid collateral damage.

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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2009, 10:33:01 AM »
They need to watch that movie The Core (2003)...

lol..for reals. After 9/11 they actually wanted movie industry gurus to give the powers that be creative input in predicting future potential terrorist plots. We can learn it all from the movies :P

When I first saw the article's title I thought here we go again with a billion Chinese jumping all at the same time theme.

*snorts* @ effective ancient art of war

If earthquake weapons technology becomes a reality, I wonder how they can avoid collateral damage.

heh..well...if Tesla's name is attached, collateral damage may not be a concern. He was super genius..but also super wacky. If he and Twain ran around shooting each other with an x-ray gun for fun... er..yeah. I'm not sure I realized until this article though that the government seized his papers upon his death. That's probably common knowledge, but I never knew it.



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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2009, 07:48:46 AM »
the government seized his papers upon his death. That's probably common knowledge, but I never knew it.

believe conspiracy theories or not, it is things like these that will make a believer out of anyone  :-\

but then why would those who have power leave it from their grasp without betting everything over it  :-[

true liberty is still a myth  :-X

or is that too pessimistic!!

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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2009, 08:09:12 AM »
true liberty is still a myth  :-X

or is that too pessimistic!!

True Liberty is a myth because we are all conditioned to allow ourselves to be herded like cattle...


check this out....  it is 16 minutes long...  take a look and take the RED pill!!



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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2009, 08:38:08 AM »
True Liberty is a myth because we are all conditioned to allow ourselves to be herded like cattle...

lol..mooo!

Actually who ever picked up some of Tesla's notes..was pretty bright. It was a decent coup. One of the FBI's more forward thinkig moves :D I bet lots of people in his time wrote him off as overly eccentric.

He was OCD, spoke multiple languages, and grouped things by 3. I wonder what his note even looked like.

*goes off in search of Tesla's notes examples, and to watch CZ's informative video about how he I can't think for myself* :-*

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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2009, 09:37:53 AM »
If he was OCD, then you can bet they were pretty organized.  No guarantee that we mere mortals could understand how he organized it.  Tesla came across as a bit paranoid so I'm also willing to bet his notes were in code.

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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2009, 10:00:05 AM »
Tesla came across as a bit paranoid so I'm also willing to bet his notes were in code.

*snorts Truth. Or, since he hung around Mark Twain..maybe he wrote them all out in pithy one-line 'quotables' :D

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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2009, 08:50:33 AM »
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In science, you can never say something is impossible,
Very interesting article, it brings a lot of thoughts to mind. The fact that controlling earthquakes is even a discussion means that if may one day inevitably become a reality. Not to say that that is necessarily a good thing but, well,

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If the 20th century has taught us anything at all, it's that our science is only limited by our imagination. And we can dream up some seriously crazy poo, especially when we want to kill someone.

destruction is in our nature.  :-\


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"This sounds like UFO stuff to me," USGS public affairs officer Mike Gauldin cracked, when I contacted him about speaking to some of his scientists about the issue.


It's limited thinking like that that really screws up our speed of advancement and technological adaptation.

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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2009, 10:03:10 AM »
Well, I'd like to keep earthquake weapons technology in the realm of science fiction.

Better tech, faster self destruct.

Thank <insert deity here> that man's imagination is limited by technology.  Until he thinks of a workaround.

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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2009, 10:08:29 AM »
and to watch CZ's informative video about how he I can't think for myself* :-*

So what did you think of the video???

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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2009, 08:53:29 PM »
So what did you think of the video???
I have yet to watch it cz, but i'll let you know when i do.  :)
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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2009, 06:45:37 AM »
The fact that controlling earthquakes is even a discussion means that if may one day inevitably become a reality.

*snorts* My first thought went one stept further. I'd thought that since we're reading it, it's probably already happened :P

So what did you think of the video???

huh? what video are you speaking of? the one whose link keeps mysteriously disappearing? *__*

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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2009, 02:06:51 PM »
*snorts* My first thought went one stept further. I'd thought that since we're reading it, it's probably already happened :P

true. I guess i sort of deprived my imagination of that alternate reality. yikes.  :P
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2009, 12:06:42 PM »
I was first made aware of 'HAARP'  probably 10 years ago. The possibilities of it's applications made me uneasy back then. The government's increasingly callous disregard for our individual lives, health, personal rights and freedoms throughout the intervening years from then till now, hasn't inspired me to feel any more hope or trust it won't be misused.

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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2009, 12:14:35 PM »
and the fact that it's the US government that's behind it's advancements and research is even to send the bravest shitting in their pants.
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2009, 12:20:24 PM »
They have answered a few of the questions when cornered with reassurances it is only used at this time in testing it's possible effects with weather.  Does this make you feel better, safer...reassured? Doesn't make me feel any better!

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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2009, 12:21:38 PM »
I don't believe poo our government tells us, so to answer your question, no it doesn't.   :-\
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2009, 12:26:36 PM »
It doesn't help that it is due north of CA. 

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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2009, 12:29:24 PM »
and the fact that it's the US government that's behind it's advancements and research is even to send the bravest shitting in their pants.

Really?  Pray tell, what other country would you like to be heading this up?  I'd much rather the U.S. be taking the lead than any other country.
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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2009, 12:34:20 PM »
Really?  Pray tell, what other country would you like to be heading this up?  I'd much rather the U.S. be taking the lead than any other country.

you say that because you live here. But you know that if the US had a kind of technology that could fux everyone up, it would eventually be put to use. Another middle eastern war to supposedly "end corruption and violence" which is what they would be guilty of starting.
To be honest, I'd rather the technology ciese to exist than to fall into anybody's hand.
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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2009, 12:37:06 PM »
Cease to exist isn't one of the options.  I'm saying of ALL the countries in the world, is there a better "holder of the conch" for something like this?  Maybe a couple.  But I'd be deathly afraid if most of any other country had this technology working.
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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2009, 12:42:40 PM »
yeah i see what you mean. Definitely better the US holding the card then say, _______.
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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2009, 01:05:29 PM »
From this...

you say that because you live here. But you know that if the US had a kind of technology that could fux everyone up, it would eventually be put to use. Another middle eastern war to supposedly "end corruption and violence" which is what they would be guilty of starting.
To be honest, I'd rather the technology ciese to exist than to fall into anybody's hand.

to this....
yeah i see what you mean. Definitely better the US holding the card then say, _______.

Caved after one post.....

Anyway you look at it, we the people, will and do suffer the consequences. And is there any other country I'd be more comfortable as 'holder of the conch'...yep. Wouldn't surprise me to hear much of the knowledge and technology originated with non-Americans.

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« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2009, 01:07:42 PM »
i'm not caving  :D
sheesh  ::)

it's called being a suck up to get the other person to go away.  :D just kidding dweez.  ;)

Besides, I think dweez is reffering to the possibility of retaliation and world chaos. (as if that's not going on on a daily basis)
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« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2009, 07:09:20 AM »
I'm saying I think technology of this kind is scary in anybody's hands but, if it has to exist, I think the U.S. is one of the better countries in the world to have it.  Regardless of your opinions on the U.S., we have had an established government for over 200 years and are not prone to violent coups so that, in 2 years, instead of say a benevolent leader, now a maniacal despot is at the helm.
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« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2009, 08:06:30 AM »
Ok, now I can agrree more with what you are saying. Now that you have said "one" of the countries, not the only country to hold this technology. But I have a different view of our nations history. Our government was birthed in the blood of the peoples that pre-existed it. Hunted and slaughtered at will as if they were animals. The government was established and designed for the wealthy 'landowners' and has continued to keep it so down through the generations. The equality for all expressed in the constitution, etc. was a joke. Because it stated Native Americans only counted as part of a human, and blacks, not at all.

An established government for over 200 years is hardly a point in our favor as it brings out how short a time our government has been in existence when compared with most of the other countries.


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« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2009, 08:33:30 AM »
Nah, I can see some better countries to be the wielders.  Maybe the U.K, Canada (they don't do poo anyway :D ), or even France with it's passive aggressiveness.   But none of the middle-eastern countries, Absolutely not Russia or any other Asian countries.  Not sure about South America...you don't really hear much about them but I know some are in their own little guerrilla wars most of the time anyway.
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« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2009, 08:39:24 AM »
?...dammit just when I thought I'd sunk my teeth into a good debate.lol.


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« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2009, 08:54:12 AM »
An established government for over 200 years is hardly a point in our favor as it brings out how short a time our government has been in existence when compared with most of the other countries.

Not many governments have lasted this long without a regime change.  What other "longer established" govt's are you thinking of?
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« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2009, 09:47:16 AM »
Seriously? I was speaking to the length of time the Americans and the government were established here.  Life existed here prior to their arrival. Their were many nations here that  occupied different areas, some who were nomadic. the fact that certain words and phrases from one place have been traced to their origins on the opposite coast which shows interaction. Had their not been some understanding between the different tribes, they would not have been here in the numbers they were prior to the arrival of the settlers.

But if you are referring to those with a written language and all of the frills, we could start with China, England...or am I broadening government to include civilization.?

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« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2009, 10:06:20 AM »
No, I'm referring to how long a "gov't" has been established.  The U.S. Democratic Republic has been est. since ~1776 and, for the most part has been benevolent the entire time.  But some countries go through regime changes every 5 years or so.  You never know what kind of leader is going to take control and thus, you never know who would have control of said technology.  You might have a Mahatma Gandhi type originally but 5 years later, after a bloody coup, you have a Hussein-type.  At least here in the U.S. and the other countries I mentioned, the gov't is established, strong, and set up for checks and balances.

Then you have other countries who have had an est. gov't for some time but are led by despotic-type leaders (i.e. Cuba, N. Korea) or have always been extremely unstable (i.e. Russia).

I'm not saying we are the best country in the world, I'm just saying as governmental structures go...we did a pretty good job.
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« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2009, 11:14:49 AM »
Perhaps I am quick to point out the negative aspects, I have never been able to comfortable with 'well, it could be worse'. I honestly think, My gosh! If I can see these problems they must be pretty bad! So why aren't the great minds that are in charge take issue with them? That is the truth!

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« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2009, 01:57:33 PM »
They have answered a few of the questions when cornered with reassurances it is only used at this time in testing it's possible effects with weather.  Does this make you feel better, safer...reassured? Doesn't make me feel any better!

You mentioned weather and it reminded me that I'd actually been thinking about weather control when I'd reas this article. A different context then you brought up, but it jiggled my memory..

So..besides being a weapon..it could also be used as a 'tool'..heh scary thought >_<

What if a government or entitiy wanted to implement population control? Even within their own country. An earthquake follwed by a tsunami would be a clever and effective tool. Wipe out round one, then follow with round two...then rebuild with a clean slate?

..something like the Three Gorge Dam project caused all sorts of problems. People were relocated, and other people fought to save artifacts. Or, Barbera Bush making the comment about hurricaine Katrina and how certain underprivileged people ended up in a better position because of it. If a 'naturally occurring' event took place (weather event, earth quake)..then no one could argue against it.

hmmmmm... :P

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Re: Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons?
« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2009, 07:54:23 PM »
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Barbera Bush making the comment about hurricaine Katrina and how certain underprivileged people ended up in a better position because of it.

WTF? how did I miss that?  ???
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Re: Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons?
« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2009, 09:25:01 PM »
I read a while back suggesting possible influence on people's impulse control. Thinking about it, it doesn't seem that far-fetched...and it would certainly explain some of the stupidity  we see happening around us...lol 

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Re: Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons?
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2009, 06:41:26 AM »
Well, it's always been speculated that the phases of the moon affect people.  We know that it's gravitation pull is what helps cause tides.
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Re: Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons?
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2009, 05:16:28 AM »
WTF? how did I miss that?  ???

LOL..I'll get the exact quote. It was pretty 'out of touch'.  :D

I read a while back suggesting possible influence on people's impulse control. Thinking about it, it doesn't seem that far-fetched...and it would certainly explain some of the stupidity  we see happening around us...lol 

mmmmmmmmm..mind control... *thinks of the wonderful possibilities*  ;D

Well, it's always been speculated that the phases of the moon affect people.  We know that it's gravitation pull is what helps cause tides.

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Re: Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons?
« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2009, 07:31:13 AM »
It is possible to make earthquake using tactical nukes in places like San Andreas Fault,Hawaii islands(US) and Canary Islands (Spain).
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Re: Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons?
« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2009, 08:25:55 AM »
It is possible to make earthquake using tactical nukes in places like San Andreas Fault,Hawaii islands(US) and Canary Islands (Spain).

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WTF? how did I miss that?  ???

It was on Martketplace which is on American Public Media, but I get on my local NPR station. The quote, as well as the sound byte are easily searchable.

..And..it's not so much that the quote was THAT bad. In fact it's the opposite. She says it so offhand, and with a little chuckle, so it make it much worse. It shows how much she downplays the sense of 'home and community'. These people weren't just displaced from their home..but their whole lives. So..heh,..yeah. It was a good example of how someone in power could come along and force mass relocations of people, and not consider all the impact it could have on the individuals.

In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of
evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost
everyone I?ve talked to says we're going to move to
Houston."

Then she added: "What I?m hearing which is sort of
scary is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is
so overwhelmed by the hospitality.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you
know, were underprivileged anyway
, so this--this (she
chuckles slightly)
is working very well for them."

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Re: Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons?
« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2009, 09:46:30 AM »
What a total _____. Just like her___ _____ ____ husband. They're both _____ and all of their extended generations to come.
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Re: Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons?
« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2009, 04:24:02 PM »
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So what did you think of the video???
I just watched it.
I have thought that in effect we are slaves or just exploited human resources one way or another for some years now but the video seems to imply direct intent or design of such a system. Which doesn't sit right with me somehow. I see it more as an evolved path which bears a resemblance to their interpretation.


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Re: Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons?
« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2009, 04:58:39 PM »
^ I tried to make that point in a labor class. But that wasn't the direction the discussion was 'supposed' to be going, so I got shut down. If I'd had cz around he could have lead a frontal assault and shifted the tide my way ;D

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Re: Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons?
« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2009, 08:56:14 PM »
In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of
evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost
everyone I?ve talked to says we're going to move to
Houston."

Then she added: "What I?m hearing which is sort of
scary is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is
so overwhelmed by the hospitality.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you
know, were underprivileged anyway
, so this--this (she
chuckles slightly)
is working very well for them."


^ Just look at the tone of her  :-\ , Eugenics of the 21st century  :-\ , as they say, ..........absolute power corrupts absolutely !!

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Re: Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons?
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2009, 06:56:30 PM »
Well, it's always been speculated that the phases of the moon affect people.  We know that it's gravitation pull is what helps cause tides.

In my dark past I was often a visitor at the local nutward.  During the full moon beds would be filled and more added till the halls were full. And still the staff, with one exception, all denied any possible connection, when I asked.

I've always been able to feel the advent of a full moon, not really a good thing.

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Re: Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons?
« Reply #45 on: June 01, 2009, 01:16:02 AM »
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"And so many of the people in the arena here, you
know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she
chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."

That blows. Seriously, who even gave her the right to speak? It shouldn't even be a right she has right to.
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Re: Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons?
« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2010, 06:58:15 PM »
H.A.A.R.P

http://www.haarp.net/haarpoverview.htm


This project a spin off from Nikola Tesla  scares the carp out of me.... on the same lines as thread topic...

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Re: Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons?
« Reply #47 on: May 05, 2010, 04:58:50 PM »
Yeas, and Haarp can control the weather and be used for mind control. It's so versatile!
I suspect its military applications are more mundane than some would try to lead us to believe.
The coupling between geomagnetic fields and ionospheric currents ain't so great, there have been some reports on ionospheric indicators or precursors correlating to Earthquakes but how well do they correlate if at all and no indication that it can happen in reverse and effect an Earthquake by a relatively mild excitation of the ionosphere (in natural terms).
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Re: Can Humans Cause Earthquakes and Use Them As Weapons?
« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2010, 06:09:33 PM »
I don't know I think well like to think it's the earth going through it's natural cycles. Like humans replace there skin every 7 years I got a theory the earth changes it's surface every 10/30 million years or so. Yuk  we humans live on it's surface "'We're doomed, I say. Doomed'"