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Re: Pixar Love
« Reply #75 on: September 15, 2009, 09:17:59 AM »


Okay, so now we get into Ratatouille, which I thought was pretty good for the most part. I can't put my finger on exactly why, but this flick doesn't seem like it was for kids. It seems to be missing a lot of things that would go into average kids fair...

I think Pixar thought so, too as they attempted through a partnership with Disney and Costco to produce a Ratatouille wine. One can only assume that in addition to Costco, it would've been sold in Disney's California Adventure at the winery there:



Someone eventually pulled the plug citing that the use of a cartoon character to sell wine might be a bad idea.

Anyway, before we get into the flick, we have the short that was released before it called Lifted. The human male character is the short is named Ernie, but he is based on an earlier design of Linguini from Ratatouille. I found it kind of odd that they'd release a short featuring their lead character in the feature...

Ernie:


Linguini:


Also in Lifted, when Ernie gets dropped all the way to the floor, we can spot Tinny hiding under his bed:



And as mentioned above, Dug from Up appears in silhouette as Remy runs through someone's living room:



When Linguini finally arrives home with Remy in tow, as he enters his apartment we can see WALL●E's pet cockroach, Hal, crawl down the wall. I was skeptical that this was indeed Hal, but since there are no other roaches in the flick it most likely is him:





Then the next morning after thinking Remy has run away, Linguini checks the 'fridge to see if Remy stole food and we see the Chinese food containers again, although this time the printing is black:



When attempting to get Remy inside Gusteau's for the first time so they can work together, Linguini decides to have Remy hide in his pants. At that point we can see that Linguini is sporting Incredibles underwear:



A short time later, when the two have a pow-wow in the pantry about how their partnership is going to work, Linguini gives Remy a piece of cheese and as he eats it, we can see cans of Nemo Brand Caviar on the shelf with him:



When Remy returns to the nest, there's a party going on, complete with a rat band providing music. Though it's tough to see, the bass player's instrument is partly fashioned out of an Insuricare pencil. Insuricare was where Bob Parr worked in The Incredibles:



Git, the big, burly rat in the back there, was clearly a laboratory rat at some point because he still bears an ear tag. His number designated by the tag is, naturally, A113:



In an interesting choice of model reuse, during the sequence where Linguini and Collette are roller skating we see Bomb Voyage, the French bomber in The Incredibles, now a street mime performing for a what looks like a young Anton Ego, the food critic from the end of this flick:





Last, but not least, when the DVD released, it has a new short on it called Your Friend the Rat in which Remy and Emile regale the viewer with all of the virtues of the rat, hoping to quell some misconceptions. The short uses multiple animation styles including traditional 2-D. Near the end, when Remy explains that rats have followed humans everywhere on the Earth and will more than likely follow us to Mars, they are riding a spacecraft piloted by our good buddy WALL●E:



And remember:

"Once you power past the gag reflex, your food options really open up."


Next: the other tied-as-my-favorite - WALL●E...
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Re: Pixar Love
« Reply #76 on: September 15, 2009, 09:32:52 AM »
Do you ever just "watch" a movie Jack?  ;D  Fab Ratatouille references. I had never heard of the wine, that's cool. And as ususal it was an adventure to see all the things I missed. What's next?

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Re: Pixar Love
« Reply #77 on: September 15, 2009, 10:01:26 AM »
Beautiful JackFrost. Coinciding with what you say, my daughter didn't like Ratatouille as much as she liked other Pixar movies. At least she doesn't ask to see it that much often. Nonetheless she absolutely loves the Playstation game which is one of her favorites. (Btw she's only allowed to play them on weekends, poor girl).

I loved the colors and the shadows and lights in this movie.  :)

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Re: Pixar Love
« Reply #78 on: September 16, 2009, 02:49:06 PM »
Do you ever just "watch" a movie Jack?  ;D  Fab Ratatouille references. I had never heard of the wine, that's cool. And as ususal it was an adventure to see all the things I missed. What's next?

I always 'just watch' a flick the first time, especially if I enjoy it. Once it starts to suck tho', it's pretty much fair game even if it's the first time.

 ;D

Beautiful JackFrost. Coinciding with what you say, my daughter didn't like Ratatouille as much as she liked other Pixar movies. At least she doesn't ask to see it that much often. Nonetheless she absolutely loves the Playstation game which is one of her favorites. (Btw she's only allowed to play them on weekends, poor girl).

I loved the colors and the shadows and lights in this movie.  :)

Huh, that is interesting, it nice to see there's an actuality to my assumption then. What'll be interesting is if she takes interest in the movie once she's older...  ;)

I've never played the game, myself.

And I love the colors Pixar uses in almost everything (especially the reefs in Finding Nemo) so I might do some caps that show some prime examples of light color and shadow...

 :)

Well, I tried to get the caps from WALL●E, but I was having trouble with the DVD.

It played okay for a minute or so, but then it got hung up. It would sit on the same frame while you could hear the audio continuing forward. The picture would then play super fast to catch up with the audio only to freeze up again.

I took the DVD out and checked the disc for scratches and fingerprints - there are none as this DVD is fairly new.

Every time it hangs in the same exact spots in the same scenes, unfortunately skipping past some things of which I want a cap.

Then I remembered that Disney/Pixar provided a digital file on one of the discs, specifically for playing on computers and such, so I jumped through the necessary hoops and got the file. It has no 5.1 sound and the resolution is several grades below the DVD making for some crappy captures. I'm kind of baffled why they even bothered, honestly.

Anyway, I decided to do some web research and find out if there is anyone else with the same issue and, as it turns out, everyone does.

The reason the disc doesn't play properly is because the copy protection placed on the disc is interfering with playback - I understand that this translates to some DVD players as well, but the disc plays fine in mine...

But, get this: The protection on the disc is so easy to get around that ripping and making copies of the DVD is actually not much of a problem for someone who knows what they're doing (virtually anyone who ever dl'd a torrent, essentially).

Bottom line: This 'copy protection' prevents a legitimate consumer who bought the disc from merely playing it on their computer (and some of their DVD players, too, let's not forget that) but does nothing to actually stop people from copying the disc!

AAARGH!!!! >:(

Anyway, I am attempting to find a way to make it work, but if not I'll have to use my decent resolution AVI file I dl'd awhile back that I made the WALL●E gif from. It's decent quality, but nothing like the actual DVD.

So WALL●E is still forthcoming...
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Re: Pixar Love
« Reply #79 on: September 16, 2009, 03:05:05 PM »
Bottom line: This 'copy protection' prevents a legitimate consumer who bought the disc from merely playing it on their computer (and some of their DVD players, too, let's not forget that) but does nothing to actually stop people from copying the disc!

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Re: Pixar Love
« Reply #80 on: September 16, 2009, 03:07:22 PM »
Another win for piracy!  :D
Size, it doesn't matter to me so long as I get it...Gotta go now.

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Re: Pixar Love
« Reply #81 on: September 17, 2009, 01:21:07 AM »
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Re: Pixar Love
« Reply #82 on: September 19, 2009, 11:54:25 AM »


Well, even after attempting to make a ripped copy from my DVD, it still has to compress the film a bit to fit on a DVD5, so the resolution was still a tad diminished. But we're moving ahead anyway.  ;D

In the short before the flick, Presto, when Alec (the rabbit) is pulling tricks out of Presto's sleeve at a rapid pace, a tiny Luxo ball falls out, too:



I really like this flick quite a bit and I consider it to be one of the coolest love stories I've ever seen. I always wondered how many adults thought this one was too dark for their kids, I only know a few whose kids really like it a lot. But the ones that do like it think it rules. :)

So in the Pixar timeline, Buy n Large (BnL), which also appears in Up, pretty much takes over the function of both corporations and the government and all services are rendered by BnL. Which means that they absorbed Dinoco...:



...but somehow chose to let Eggman Movers to remain it's own entity. But check out how their billboard is the old, still, stationary print ones that we know, and BnL's are lighted and animated. Even to the point of obscuring the Eggman Movers ad.:



And these next two are for redlandslide (thank you, sir) who reminded me that I forgot to include the appearance of Eggman Movers in Toy Story...:


...and Toy Story 2:


WALL●E marks the first time Pixar integrated live-action people into one of their flicks - I still think it looks a little odd:



And they cast Fred Willard as the smarmy huckster, CEO/President of BnL, Shelby Forthright. They'll eventually show him in a scene where he has the same seal that's hung behind a US president when a speech is given to imply that in addition to being CEO of the corporation, he is president of the country (and possibly the world, we only get to see one part of the globe, tho'):



Some try to say the upside-down piggy bank on the left there is Hamm from Toy Story, but I say thee nay! If you look at Hamm's feet, he has little black cloven 'hooves' which the one in WALL●E doesn't have:




Oh, hey, lookie there! It a Mike Wazowski antenna topper  :D:



Leakless Brand Oil is from Cars, sorry I forgot to get an establishing cap for it:



In this pile of junk we can see the scooter Skinner used in Ratatouille. Some sites say that those cones are from Toy Story 2, but I was always pretty skeptical about it, since there are cones all over the movie:



When the ship that brings EVE arrives, and it's targeting lasers scan across several landscapes, it passes one where you can see one of the buoys from Finding Nemo. What's interesting is the implication is that this canyon was once an ocean:




WALL●E makes EVE a little tribute sculpture, that she basically ignores, and he uses a Luxo lamp to fashion one of her arms. I always wondered if she was aware of what he used to represent her head. :D I always was a little bummed that she's floating in the foreground of this shot obscuring part of it - it would probably still be my signature pic.



Some say this is the magician's hat from the Presto short, and while it is a top hat, I'd be more inclined to think it was that top hat, if the accompanying wizard's cap was somewhere nearby:



When WALL●E and the rocket punch through satellite shield surrounding Earth, the one that sticks to his face is Sputnik. Sputnick was the Russian satellite success story from the 1950s that sparked the US/Russian 'Space Race' within the 'Cold War'.



I capped these two because they always brought up an interesting question for me (look at the sign in the background on the left of each pic):




All we ever see these people do is float around in their hover chairs, suck food from cups and visit the pool, and every service is automated. What do these people do for money?  :D

Or has Pixar inadvertently shown the horrific end game of dunt - dunt - DAH! SOCIALISM?!?!?! (Oh noes!) :D :P

But i digress...

There are 3 different occasions when the code A113 come on screen. The code is, naturally, Auto's primary function is to take over fundamental control and prevent at all costs the Axiom from returning to Earth as ordered by BnL CEO/President Shelby Forthright. Auto really isn't a bad machine, he just had bad programmers:





I always liked this collection of stuff because it showed how abstractly WALL●E was thinking - also like when he sets the spork between his forks and spoons. Which is why there are other cone shaped things in with the garden gnomes - including the jack which is red and has to points like the gnomes' hats:



And then in the credits, one of the mosaics has an ocean theme in which Crush swims by:



Well, that's pretty much all I can do for now since the Up DVD doesn't come out until November and I haven't found a decent digital copy myself. So we'll have to leave off here for a bit. But I do have a couple of things still left.  ;D

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Re: Pixar Love
« Reply #83 on: September 19, 2009, 12:12:26 PM »
I know you are totally immersed in your love of this movie. I dont have a copy so I cant look for myself but are there no more reference pieces in that rotary storage wheel that he has in his house? I just remember there being tons of stuff that he had sectioned off and stored. Surprised not to see it here. You're the expert though, I bow to your authority.  ;D

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Re: Pixar Love
« Reply #84 on: September 19, 2009, 12:33:54 PM »
Yeah, my daughter didn't like WALL-E. She didn't even finished seeing it. I think it's for bigger children. Knowing her my guess is that it scared her a bit. I think it's an original movie.

Good work as usual. Thank you JackFrost.  :)

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Re: Pixar Love
« Reply #85 on: September 19, 2009, 02:11:53 PM »
I know you are totally immersed in your love of this movie. I dont have a copy so I cant look for myself but are there no more reference pieces in that rotary storage wheel that he has in his house? I just remember there being tons of stuff that he had sectioned off and stored. Surprised not to see it here. You're the expert though, I bow to your authority.  ;D

Believe it or not, among all the forks and spoons, piggy banks, Zippo lighters and garden gnomes there are no Pixar Easter eggs (the one that others think is Hamm would be the only one - but it's not Hamm, so...). I think they didn't put anything there deliberately because some people would be looking. I think that's why things like the Mike Wazowski topper are obscured in plain sight, just to keep it a little more unpredictable.

Yeah, my daughter didn't like WALL-E. She didn't even finished seeing it. I think it's for bigger children. Knowing her my guess is that it scared her a bit. I think it's an original movie.

Good work as usual. Thank you JackFrost.  :)

Thanks.  ;D 8)

You might have noticed I've been introducing the idea that some of Pixar is for adults since prolly Finding Nemo, and I really think that I'm not just imagining that.

WALL●E there is no real 'dialogue' or singing or anything for the first 40-some-odd minutes of the film. That a tough attention span for even some adults I know let along frisky little whippersnappers. :D

Because even after WALL●E comes Up,
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Both things are pretty heavy subjects for kids. Don't get me wrong, the sequence is really incredible but it's emotionally heavy, and I don't think some kids are ready for that kind of thing.

Here's hoping you daughter likes it more when she's older. ;)

By the way, xtopave, I keep forgetting to ask you, what do you think of these movies yourself.

In fact, if anyone reading this wants to, give your Top 10 Pixar flick list (there are only 10 including Up) - here's mine (Fixt.):

1. (Tie) Finding Nemo & WALL●E
2. (Tie) Toy Story 1 & 2
3. Up
4. A Bug's Life
5. Cars
6. Monsters, Inc.
7. Ratatouille
8. The Incredibles
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Re: Pixar Love
« Reply #86 on: September 19, 2009, 02:20:29 PM »
Mine  ;D

1. Cars
2. Finding Nemo
3. Toy Story 1 & 2 (It's very difficult to separate them  :))
4. Monsters, Inc.
5. Ratatouille
6. Bug's Life
7. WALL-E
8. The Incredibles

I haven't seen Up  :(

Edit to add Bug's Life (thanks redlandslide)
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Re: Pixar Love
« Reply #87 on: September 19, 2009, 04:39:39 PM »
My 13 year old daughter adores the Pixar movies, and she's been enthralled by all the hidden stuff you've been posting here. Her two favourite Pixar films are WALL?E and Ratatouille. I haven't seen either of these two yet, or Up, but I'd probably list the order of the others as;

1. Finding Nemo
2. Monsters Inc
3. Toy Story
4. Toy Story 2
5. Bug's Life
6. Cars
7. Incredibles

Jack, you didn't say where Bug's Life ranked in your list, btw.

I posted a link in another thread which claimed the plot for Cars was ripped off Doc Hollywood and WALL?E from Silent Running. Since I've never seen Doc Hollywood, Silent Running or WALL?E I wouldn't know, but thought you'd probably know. Were they?

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Re: Pixar Love
« Reply #88 on: September 19, 2009, 10:50:57 PM »
Mine  ;D

1. Cars
2. Finding Nemo
3. Toy Story 1 & 2 (It's very difficult to separate them  :))
4. Monsters, Inc.
5. Ratatouille
6. Bug's Life
7. WALL-E
8. The Incredibles

I haven't seen Up  :(

Edit to add Bug's Life (thanks redlandslide)

That's really interesting that Cars is #1. Most adults I know thought it was boring.

Take the time to see Up, it is very good.

3. Toy Story 1 & 2 (It's very difficult to separate them  :))

Yeah, I think so, too. I've got a little trepidation about where they're going with TS3, tho'. Because eventually Pixar's going to make a horrible movie - law of averages says so - but until then, I'll keep enjoying the great movies they produce.

My 13 year old daughter adores the Pixar movies, and she's been enthralled by all the hidden stuff you've been posting here.

Cool. And I hope WALL?E was worth the wait... ;D 8)

But I gotta be honest, part of me is bummed that I'm finished for now. But like I said I have one or two more little tricks up my sleeve.

Her two favourite Pixar films are WALL?E and Ratatouille.

Excellent, another WALL?E fan! I like, but don't love Ratatouille, at least not yet. I heard somewhere that it's considered to be one of the best movies about cooking ever made. :)

I haven't seen either of these two yet, or Up, but I'd probably list the order of the others as;

Like I said, take the time for Up. And you should watch the other two with your daughter.  ;D

1. Finding Nemo
2. Monsters Inc
3. Toy Story
4. Toy Story 2
5. Bug's Life
6. Cars
7. Incredibles

Interesting to see The Incredibles at the bottom of all three lists so far.  ;)

Jack, you didn't say where Bug's Life ranked in your list, btw.

Good eye once again, thanks. Weird, too because I actually like that one a lot. Kevin Spacey is particularly good in it, too.

"It's a bug-eat-bug world out there, princess. One of those... 'Circle of Life' kind of things."

I posted a link in another thread which claimed the plot for Cars was ripped off Doc Hollywood and WALL?E from Silent Running. Since I've never seen Doc Hollywood, Silent Running or WALL?E I wouldn't know, but thought you'd probably know. Were they?

Well, Cars certainly does borrow quite a bit of the main premise of Doc Hollywood, which has Michael J. Fox playing an bottom doctor who wrecks a small-town judge's fence while on the way to a lucrative job in California and is forced to serve community service. Fox's character eventually learns to love the small town and it's inhabitants. So yeah, they lifted that part of the story more or less whole hog. But all of the racing and the stuff about how progress has ruined some of the character of that area of the US, and Route 66 in particular, is unique to Cars.

But I think WALL?E more pays homage to many space movies including Silent Running. Granted, Silent Running has an environmental theme where Earth plant life on Earth has died, Bruce Dern's character is the caretaker of a space greenhouse, and there are robots that resemble WALL?E, the story is not as directly lifted as in Cars. At least I think there are significant enough differences that homage seems more apt than direct rip-off.

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Re: Pixar Love
« Reply #89 on: September 20, 2009, 08:48:12 AM »
This is HARD! But mine:

1. Toy Story
2. Nemo
3. Toy Story 2
4. Bugs Life
5. Monsters Inc
6. Up
7. Wall-E
8. Ratatouille
9. Cars
10. The Incredibles