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When is Rum really Vodka?
« on: September 06, 2012, 08:47:06 AM »
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2012, 08:54:32 AM »
That sounds like fun Aelthric.  I bet it gets your teeth white too.

How do you start going about this sort of thing? It may well be something I'd like to try in the future.
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2012, 09:01:05 AM »
First of all: WOW!!  You are my hero, aelthric!  I've been dreaming of doing something like that since high school with a friend of mine. We're both mums with children now. Maybe when we get older we'll do it.
I'll be looking forward to reading more about your pirate adventures.  ;D
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2012, 10:09:40 AM »
Quote from: aelthric on September 06, 2012, 09:09:06 AM
and also something they call conditioner, this stops the brew from frothing up into the condenser coil and tainting your product) ;D

I believe they're siloxanes. They act as surfactants preventing foam originated by sugars that remain in the liquid (remnants that haven't been fermented) to go up and into the coils.
But I could be wrong so don't quote me.  :-\ ;D
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2012, 11:26:09 AM »
I'm confused. While researching the items listed it appears that you cannot distil any spirit at without a licence due to health and safety issues (like I believe that).  I couldn't find any limits or other domestic loopholes that allow it.

Not that I particularly care what the law says about what I "privately" should and shouldn't be doing in my home, but if the risk of combustion is quite high then I can understand why they wouldn't want the winos around the corner doing this recreationally.

Now I understand why pirates are pirates.
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2012, 12:12:10 PM »
Quote from: aelthric on September 06, 2012, 11:46:30 AM
BTW the air still is also excellent for separating "essential oils" so should the Rossers come a knocking I am a New Ager with a Penchant for essential oils ;) YARRRRR

Nice.  :D
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2012, 02:44:27 PM »
This seems to be the most likely candidate for the obligatory distilling licence here:

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Paying Spirits Duty

Spirits are liable for Spirits Duty as soon as they have been distilled or manufactured.

Spirits Duty Rates

The current rate of Spirits Duty is £26.81 per litre of pure alcohol.

I read in the U.S (Dakota) it is a flat $100 a year.
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2012, 06:15:25 PM »
I like talking about booze, nearly as much as drinking it.
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2012, 06:49:12 PM »
I want molasses flavored vodka!

The dakotas are a desolate moonscape of poo, which is why there are so many jobs available there.
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2012, 09:35:35 PM »
Quote from: aelthric on September 06, 2012, 04:54:58 PM
Wonder if I can emigrate to Dakota ;D

£26.81 per litre seems a bit steep considering how much cheap and nasty spirits cost in supermarkets....

Mind you they are generally only 35 - 40% alcohol which comes to £9.38 at 35% per litre and since I have seen bottles for as little as £15 per litre sort of makes me wonder how these supermarket chains can do it at those prices...

The Dakotas are notorious for being culturally conservative.  I don't think you'd like it there.  I think Vodka is a much broader category of spirit than rum.  Vodka can be made from wheat, potatoes, all kinds of stuff.  I always thought rum was derived from sugar cane plants.  I stumbled on this site recently  http://www.ministryofrum.com/

It's worth a look.

"There’s naught no doubt so much the spirit calms as rum and true religion." Lord Byron
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2012, 12:08:28 AM »
Quote from: aelthric on September 06, 2012, 08:47:06 AM
As to the legal position of this distilling, any person in the UK can produce 2500 litres of "Bio Fuel Ethanol" before they require either a distillers license or need to pay duty and since I own a trangia (An alcohol burning camping stove) and it works with this distillate very well we will from this point be referring to the rum / vodka as "BIO FUEL" ;)

sir that must be a big Trangia 
mines only a diddy one  ;D ;D ;D

very impressed sir,
friend is into brewing in a big way. Some of his attempts of "wayside" produce are different
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2012, 03:39:54 AM »
Quote from: 6pairsofshoes on September 06, 2012, 09:35:35 PM
The Dakotas are notorious for being culturally conservative....

I know, Ms Fanning really needs to loosen up a bit.
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2012, 05:02:15 AM »
Quote from: smokester on September 07, 2012, 03:39:54 AM
I know, Ms Fanning really needs to loosen up a bit.

Ya think so?  :D

Quote from: 6pairsofshoes on September 06, 2012, 09:35:35 PM
I always thought rum was derived from sugar cane plants.

I don't understand. It does come from sugar cane, doesn't it?
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2012, 11:33:49 PM »
Hi aelthric ;)
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2012, 07:18:28 PM »
I'm gonna need an IV drip of your mix.
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2012, 10:28:38 AM »
Quote from: aelthric on September 15, 2012, 06:35:50 PM
Hi Bea how goes it?

Well got the next batch of mean brew under way, this time used 5kg White refined cane sugar and 1.5kg molasses so we will see how this turns out....

After a couple of weeks storage the last brew has begun to take on the distinctive Rum flavour at last ;D

Good luck this time round Aelthric.

Perhaps I should PM you my address, or maybe even drop some subtle hints.
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2012, 02:55:15 PM »
Quote from: aelthric on September 15, 2012, 06:35:50 PM
After a couple of weeks storage the last brew has begun to take on the distinctive Rum flavour at last ;D

Success aelthric! Enjoy it!
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2012, 08:26:02 AM »
lucky you, although it seems experience made the difference not luck.

have you ever made wine from cotoneaster berries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotoneaster

friend made a rather large batch and binned it as he was told they were poisonous. we couldn't find out for certainty that they were poisonous . diff sites state different things
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2012, 09:57:37 AM »
Quote from: goldshirt*9 on September 17, 2012, 08:26:02 AM
friend made a rather large batch and binned it as he was told they were poisonous.

Wiki says it's related to hawtorns. I know some Crataegus species are poisonous. I'd be coward enough not to try it.
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2012, 10:06:39 AM »
Poison adds flavour.
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2012, 02:04:41 PM »
various sites comment about a lot of berries being poisonous to a certain degree.This is the only berry he can not find in any brewing book.


Nutmeg is reported to induce hallucinogenic effects.
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2012, 01:14:35 PM »
In the Caribbean they generally spice their rum to make it more interesting.  They are rarely the same in any two rum shacks and I can personally vouch that some of them have been so good that I would travel back there just to taste it once again.

This page has some of the ideas:

http://www.ifood.tv/blog/what-are-the-varieties-of-spiced-rum
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2012, 01:24:30 PM »
here i am with my glass do I have to stand in a long queue?
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2012, 02:35:51 PM »


I brought a cup!

(I can't help but notice certain cultural implications in these two successive posts...)   ;D
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2012, 02:44:30 PM »
Quote from: SACPOP on September 19, 2012, 02:35:51 PM


I brought a cup!

(I can't help but notice certain cultural implications in these two successive posts...)   ;D

I really need to get myself one of those for my aperitifs.

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I will PM you and see if I can get to send you a bottle of the best ;)

Thank god for that.  For a moment I thought I might have to resort to torture.  :)

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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2012, 12:33:33 PM »
I'm... speechless, aelthric! Awesome.
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2012, 06:14:15 AM »
Would it be too forward to send you my address Aels' old chum?
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Re: When is Rum really Pimms on Steroids?
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2012, 10:38:40 AM »
^I'll be laughing at that all day!
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2012, 01:38:31 PM »
We'll just see how well his saliva is producing after he drinks some.
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Re: When is Rum really Vodka?
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2017, 11:25:03 PM »
That is fascinating.  I regularly enjoy licorice based beverages like Pernod and Anisette Ricard, but haven't had Absinthe.  It will be interesting to hear how yours turns out.
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