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Re: Book Club & Parchments
« Reply #105 on: July 04, 2013, 10:47:14 PM »
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Re: Book Club & Parchments
« Reply #106 on: January 12, 2014, 08:26:40 AM »
A lot since I last posted.
Currently:
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Re: Book Club & Parchments
« Reply #107 on: January 12, 2014, 05:53:26 PM »
There is a zombie in Dante and I will share where if anyone wants to know.

I want to know since I won't read the Divina Commedia in a close future.  :D

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Zombies in The Divine Comedy
« Reply #108 on: January 12, 2014, 09:58:24 PM »
I want to know since I won't read the Divina Commedia in a close future.  :D

Inferno, Canto XXXIII:

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And, that thou mayest more willingly remove
From off my countenance these glassy tears,
Know that as soon as any soul betrays

As I have done, his body by a demon
Is taken from him, who thereafter rules it,
Until his time has wholly been revolved.

Itself down rushes into such a cistern;
And still perchance above appears the body
Of yonder shade, that winters here behind me.

This thou shouldst know, if thou hast just come down;
It is Ser Branca d' Oria, and many years
Have passed away since he was thus locked up."

"I think," said I to him, "thou dost deceive me;
For Branca d' Oria is not dead as yet,
And eats, and drinks, and sleeps, and puts on clothes."

"In moat above," said he, "of Malebranche,
There where is boiling the tenacious pitch,
As yet had Michel Zanche not arrived,

When this one left a devil in his stead
In his own body and one near of kin,
Who made together with him the betrayal.

But hitherward stretch out thy hand forthwith,
Open mine eyes;"--and open them I did not,
And to be rude to him was courtesy.

Ah, Genoese! ye men at variance
With every virtue, full of every vice
Wherefore are ye not scattered from the world?

For with the vilest spirit of Romagna
I found of you one such, who for his deeds
In soul already in Cocytus bathes,
And still above in body seems alive!


This is an older translation--not as fluid or beautiful as the Hollander translation.
The gist of it is, is that for those who betray guests (as d' Oria did) the soul is immediately taken down to Hell while their (empty) bodies stay above on earth... eating, walking until the body decays and dies (a second time). If that's not a description of a zombie, I don't know what is.
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Re: Book Club & Parchments
« Reply #109 on: January 13, 2014, 01:32:48 AM »
Finished Under The Dome this weekend. I was underwhelmed. SK seemed to give up on the story after the Halloween event, after that the story felt rushed and ill thought out.

The human element was also lacking, it wasn't as diverse as The Stand. There is no betrayal or back stabbing, I would have thought Rennie would have wanted to infiltrate 'Barbie's Friends', but it never came. Maybe i've read too much A Song of Ice & Fire with it's batshit crazy characters, but Under The Dome just felt alittle uncreative in that regard.
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Re: Book Club & Parchments
« Reply #110 on: January 13, 2014, 06:46:29 AM »
Has anyone read Joe Abercrombie?
I read "The First Law trilogy" of books and thought they were a lot of fun. Sort hard-boiled fantasy.

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Re: Zombies in The Divine Comedy
« Reply #111 on: January 13, 2014, 07:32:22 AM »
This is an older translation--not as fluid or beautiful as the Hollander translation.
The gist of it is, is that for those who betray guests (as d' Oria did) the soul is immediately taken down to Hell while their (empty) bodies stay above on earth... eating, walking until the body decays and dies (a second time). If that's not a description of a zombie, I don't know what is.
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So Branca d'Oria was the first zombie and Dante didn't like Genoeses?  :D

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Re: Book Club & Parchments
« Reply #112 on: January 13, 2014, 07:37:54 AM »
I'd say that was a fair assessment. He-he.

My copies of Dante come with copious notes which, when reading him, are de rigueur for us non-academic moderns. The city and party politics of his time are dense and The Divine Comedy is all about that.
Dante was from Florence and a Guelph which placed him in opposition to almost everyone who was from any other Italian city and/or a Ghibelline. Guelphs were for the papacy as a political entity. Ghibellines were for the idea of empire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guelphs_and_Ghibellines
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Re: Book Club & Parchments
« Reply #113 on: January 13, 2014, 07:51:01 AM »
I'd say that was a fair assessment. He-he.

Indeed it was! Interesting too. Kinda make me want to read it. I wonder if I can find a decent Spanish version.

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Re: Book Club & Parchments
« Reply #114 on: January 13, 2014, 07:57:33 AM »
Try this. Maybe look into the translator; I don't know anything about him.
It's important to get away from the older translations (like the one I posted above). They're too stiff, too formal... you want something that flows and isn't a chore. I really like the Hollander translations but, alas, in English only atm.

http://www.amazon.com/Divina-comedia-Divine-Spanish-Edition/dp/8420609099
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« Reply #115 on: January 13, 2014, 08:03:03 AM »
It's important to get away from the older translations (like the one I posted above). They're too stiff, too formal... you want something that flows and isn't a chore.

Exactly!

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Re: Book Club & Parchments
« Reply #116 on: January 17, 2014, 09:27:16 AM »
I must confess, at my ripe old age I have never read Dickens. :-\

Over the last few days I have started to read
A Tale of Two Cities

Well at the start it reads wonderfully.
Why didn't I read before now  :-X

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Re: Book Club & Parchments
« Reply #117 on: January 17, 2014, 08:54:07 PM »
I'm reading snippets of Diderot's Encyclopedia.  It's informative.

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Re: Book Club & Parchments
« Reply #118 on: January 19, 2014, 12:34:47 PM »
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Re: Book Club & Parchments
« Reply #119 on: January 19, 2014, 02:11:09 PM »
Still working thru Dante... my evening read is Wicked.
After a slow start, I'm enjoying it.
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