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Offline 8ullfrog

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Re: What's your favourite TV program of the moment?
« Reply #1515 on: August 20, 2019, 05:05:16 PM »
nope, awake and screaming while you're the meatsuit, and with the sarcophagus that can run into the thousands of years.

Jolinar was the worm that was in carter's head one episode. It got killed by an assassin, but did technically use up all it's healing powers to
un-microwave Carter's brain.

Which is good, because the SGC really needs Carter's brain. Like, it's the most important thing in the whole place, and sending her on a frontline recon team is both stupid and wasteful?

One interesting thing, her rank progression tracks. The Air Force consulted extensively on the show. So she ranks up when a real officer would. No academy student becomes Captain of the flagship shenanigans like that 2009 reboot of an extremely popular franchise.
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Re: What's your favourite TV program of the moment?
« Reply #1516 on: September 14, 2019, 03:01:19 AM »
Mayans MC is my favorite at the moment.  You find your loyalties shifting from moment to moment.  The characters are complex and well drawn.  Sad to say bad guy psycho agent from Sons of Anarchy gets drafted into this, and he's really no less annoying than he was in his previous iteration.  The cops are generally bad guys.  The cartel is bad guys, the rebels are bad guys. Nobody has clean hands.

And if you are choosing an Ivy league school?  The characters who went to Stanford and Cornell on this show don't seem to be faring too well, nor do they seem to be benefitting from their high priced educations.  They probably would have done just as well at a community college. 
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Re: What's your favourite TV program of the moment?
« Reply #1517 on: September 14, 2019, 04:53:20 AM »
I'm surprised you're willing to trust them again. They promised a non BS ending to SOA, then delivered a BS ending to SOA. The son dies like the father, pathetically.

I mean, if they wanted to have Jax Die, that's one thing, but the way they delivered it was a golly you to the audience who watched the show for years.

I will say, the fact that they did not sugarcoat Katy Segal's character in any way was far too good for the series they ended up delivering. An unsympathetic character who just... survives, is an AMAZING tool.

For instance, my buddy is military, his dad is military, I was recruited, but 4F, I didn't qualify for any of 'em.

But Baltar. Baltar is extremely interesting. My buddy, he won't lay a verdict down, he doesn't want to. His dad wanted Baltar killed from the miniseries.

I view Baltar as kind of a cockroach, but also, more worthy of living than most of the cast. Which is weird, because he caused the death of 50 billion people, BECAUSE HE WAS LAZY AND HORNY.

So yeah, Complicated characters are neat. Shitty solutions are shitty solutions.

Even James Callis wanted Baltar to die nameless. He wanted a gang of people to keep Baltar from ever reaching Earth, say "You don't get a happy ending" and straight up shoot him.

The hell the series prophesizes is far more elegant.

All the airs, all the put on, all the "cultured persona" of Gaius Baltar, is so much clothing. Part of that is a strength. Gaius repeatedly trades clothes to save his ass, but you get the sense he doesn't believe any of them, but desperately wants to be all of them.

In the end, he ends up in the place he never wanted to be. Agricultural secretary. Which is SHOCKINGLY more important when the colonial government decides on a suicide solution.

And it's bad. In the epilogue, we find out the only person who bred true was Hera, the Human/Cylon hybrid. She died at 16, after having two children.

That is a bleak as golly ending. No one gets a happy ending. It even implies that Baltar doesn't actually love Caprica, which we were told way the hell back when they were on Kobol.

Six said that Hera was the miracle child. That she and Baltar would never have their own child, and that it was his duty to protect her. And HOLY poo if he didn't do that. He CURED CANCER with the placenta. Good luck whipping THAT poo up on a deadline. But he did it. Because he's a cockroach.

The ending also implies he died fairly quickly. Because we saw Helo limping in his last scene, but we don't know what took down the humanoid cylons, and Athena was pretty spry.

I mean maybe Six and Baltar set up a farm and told everyone to golly themselves? Earth was the limit, and he didn't feel protective of Hera after that point?

I'm rambling.
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Re: What's your favourite TV program of the moment?
« Reply #1518 on: September 14, 2019, 09:40:25 AM »
Yeah.  Jax's death was like a page out of the Michael O'Donoghue "How to write good" playbook.

To wit: 
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Lesson 2 - The Ending

All too often, the budding author finds that his tale has run its course and yet he sees no way to satisfactorily end it, or, in literary parlance, "wrap it up." Observe how easily I resolve this problem:

Suddenly, everyone was run over by a truck. -the end-

If the story happens to be set in England, use the same ending, slightly modified:

Suddenly, everyone was run over by a lorry. -the end-

If set in France:

Soudainement, tout le monde etait écrasé par un camion. -finis-

You'll be surprised at how many different settings and situations this ending applies to. For instance, if you were writing a story about ants, it would end "Suddenly, everyone was run over by a centipede." In fact, this is the only ending you ever need use.*

*Warning - if you are writing a story about trucks, do not have the trucks run over by a truck. Have the trucks run over by a mammoth truck.
  http://www.workableweb.com/_pages/tips_how_to_write_good.htm

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Re: What's your favourite TV program of the moment?
« Reply #1519 on: September 14, 2019, 06:16:39 PM »
Huh, I always thought that was called Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies.

Plus what an bottom way to kill yourself, at the very least that Truck Driver is gonna be traumatized for life.

I can't say I ever liked SOA, but I did watch it. Kind of made Breaking Bad more enjoyable by comparison.
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Re: What's your favourite TV program of the moment?
« Reply #1520 on: September 15, 2019, 12:00:58 AM »
At times it was mannered and formulaic, but I found that it held up to a repeat viewing.  The actors are very good, although the writing was sort of lacking at times.  Several, if not most, of the characters were in a self destructive arc throughout the span of the series.  It was sort of odd, but gratifying, that Drea de Matteo's character was redeemed at the end.

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Re: What's your favourite TV program of the moment?
« Reply #1521 on: September 16, 2019, 02:38:01 AM »
"Your decision to beat a nun to death with a baseball bat and dump her in a baptismal font, although effective, it lacked vision"  -- Michael Galindo, Head of Mexican Drug Cartel, to one of his main security officers, Mayans MC

That's some gifted dialogue right there.

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Re: What's your favourite TV program of the moment?
« Reply #1522 on: September 16, 2019, 02:49:33 AM »
crap, I know they stole it, but I can't remember where from. It wasn't that specific instance, but the utter blasphemy, ignored, in deference to just the absolutely stupid golly up the act was.

Maybe Face/Off?

Like I think the brain trust baddie implied it had style, but lacked any finesse. And then of course, the idiots were executed.
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Re: What's your favourite TV program of the moment?
« Reply #1523 on: September 16, 2019, 03:14:19 AM »
I haven't seen Face/Off.  But the actor's phrasing was perfect.

This was the series finale.  Exekiel gets cut loose by the Feds but then stays with the motorcycle gang, inadvertently discovering who shot his mother, a guy in the Sons of Anarchy.  I barely remember the guys who were left in the cast.  That show had an amazingly high body count.  So much that they'd give Inspector Morse a run for his money.  The latter really managed to kill lots of people in Oxford each week.

The guy who plays Potter, the creepy FBI guy, is actually a gifted director, etc.  He makes my skin crawl, so he's also an effective actor.  There is something about the evil law enforcement cast that is shared by Sons of Anarchy and Mayans.  Ally Walker in the former has an affectation in her speech that makes me want to smother her with a pillow and Ray McKinnon who is common to both shows, is the male equivalent.  You just want to make him go away.  He's like a bad dream on two legs.

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Re: What's your favourite TV program of the moment?
« Reply #1524 on: September 16, 2019, 04:00:39 AM »
Series in Englandish? or Season in American? Funny you mentioned Drea De Matteo earlier, she's one of two characters on SOA who weren't murderers.

(The other was killed before he could kill anyone else)

go watch Face/Off, it's a garbage movie, but is stupid fun. A lot of people wish the roles were flipped, but most admit Travolta probably couldn't have handled bad guy playing good guy. Nicolas Cage on the other hand, is factually INSANE.
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Re: What's your favourite TV program of the moment?
« Reply #1525 on: September 16, 2019, 05:13:29 AM »
Ah, Season finale.  I get confused sometimes, and I guess that "season" and "series" can mean two different things depending on which side of the pond you're on.  We watched the finale to season 1 of Jett tonight, too.  It was intense.  Reminded me of the show, Dynasty.  I'd  not really watched the show, but the one snippet I did watch was at the end of a season where terrorists broke into a wedding and machine gunned everyone.  It was such a cliff hanger and so over the top that I couldn't help but laugh.  Tune in next September to see who lived and who died.  Gak.  Lots of people get killed at the end of Jett, season 1, too.  Clearly, there will be more bad guys to deal with when it returns.

Nicholas Cage takes his acting seriously.  Travolta is another matter.  He's ok in Saturday Night Fever and Pulp Fiction.  Once I tried to watch Battlefield Earth.  That was a sorry mess of a movie.  What was he thinking.  It's tempting to blame Scientology, but no.  You have to lay the responsibility for what these guys do at their feet.  He is lacking in judgment.  That's it, pure and simple.  I can't say he is w/o talent, but unless he has someone skilled at the helm, it usually doesn't work out too well.
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Re: What's your favourite TV program of the moment?
« Reply #1526 on: September 16, 2019, 07:11:49 AM »
No, with battlefield earth, it really is a religion thing, which makes it so much worse. Chump Hubbard wanted him to take the role as far back as 1982.

It was a very bad movie. Just... Very bad.

Hell, I liked Broken Arrow, the golly do I know?

Still, yeah, this is the TV thread. England considers them series, Americans think a series is the whole shebang.

For a SEASON, we call em' SEASONS.
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Re: What's your favourite TV program of the moment?
« Reply #1527 on: September 16, 2019, 09:51:45 AM »
I'm not sure how programming works in the UK, but the new television "season" used to begin in September, coinciding with the end of summer and when people would traditionally stay inside and watch tv in the evenings instead of staying outside and enjoying the longer days and nice weather.  So Fall = new season + tv.  Someone who knows more about the history of American television broadcasting probably could afford more insights into this.  I read so much re new "series" new "season" that they get mixed up in my head.  This board is hosted in the UK, but the series I was talking about were American ones so it's hard to know what nomenclature to use.  But you are completely right to notice these subtle differences and the clouding of meaning that my description used.

Right now I'm tired and need more caffeine.

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« Reply #1528 on: September 16, 2019, 07:14:20 PM »
Sorry if I came off as a pedant, but I was wondering if the show was cancelled. Thank you for expanding.
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« Reply #1529 on: September 16, 2019, 07:28:36 PM »
No need to apologize.  Your comment made me think.  Sometimes, especially late at night, I'll be tired and less exacting in my posts.  I love the show so I certainly hope it gets renewed.  Right now there's no discussion of what will happen.  It's on Cinemax and had generally positive critical response.

I really liked The Expanse and was gratified that Bezos picked the series up after it was cancelled by SciFy network.  Maybe we should pray to St. Bezos if this gets pulled for an afterlife.  I'm now onto season 2 of Mayans MC.  Of course EZ can't go back to Stanford.  Despite his "I took a semester off" pronouncement, the University is on the quarter system.  That's some sloppy writing, there.  They did something else on the show that flew in the face of reality, and I can't remember what it was.  But the "semesters" at Stanford was a glaring error that anyone familiar with the school would have picked up on.  Oh, and the name of the town where the Sons of Anarchy hang out isn't Paradise.  It's Charming.  I misremembered it.  Can you imagine naming a town, Charming?  Now I'm babbling.  Time to make dinner.  Quesadillas.