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Re: The current state of banks
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2009, 05:08:36 PM »
Just found this awesome quote by Ayn Rand, more or less undermining her whole philosophy that has been embraced by capitalist-imperialists for decades:

"When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed.": Ayn Rand - (1905-1982) Author - Source: Atlas Shrugged, Francisco's "Money Speech"

Unfortunately, her description more or less fits the US as it currently stands...  :-\

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Re: The current state of banks
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2009, 10:36:25 PM »
Frightening,,but true
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Re: The current state of banks
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2009, 09:40:17 AM »
Well, there's a whole week's worth of poo devoted to Ayn Rand on campus!

Be sure to read carefully the titles of the lectures...

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Re: The current state of banks
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2009, 06:03:14 PM »
Geez, wish they would do something like that here.
Around here they have the idea ( much like Bush) that if you ignore the situation, it will eventualy go away.
But much like a Zombie in a George Romero  movie, they just bite you in the ass instead.
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Re: The current state of banks
« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2009, 12:17:02 AM »
The person's email address doesn't show any pretentiousness whatsoever...  ::)

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Re: The current state of banks
« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2009, 11:45:57 AM »
Geez, wish they would do something like that here.
Around here they have the idea ( much like Bush) that if you ignore the situation, it will eventualy go away.
But much like a Zombie in a George Romero  movie, they just bite you in the ass instead.

Ah, yes, the bury-your-head-in-the-sand scenario...

It's been working out so well these last 8 years, too.  ::)

The person's email address doesn't show any pretentiousness whatsoever...  ::)

Well, when you believe yourself among the chosen few 'Champions of the Earth' because you've seen the light through Ayn Rand's cynical ideology you tend to get a bit of an inflated ego.

Whether or not that inflated ego is justified.

Oh and here's The Daily Show at it again...

This clip is exceptional as it shows the interrelationship between former Goldman-Sachs employees and the positions of power they got into that drove the 'bailout' from which Goldman-Sachs profited handsomely.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=224259&title=Clusterfu#@k-to-the-Poor-House---Goldman-Sachs%27-Connections

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Re: The current state of banks
« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2009, 05:40:01 PM »
yea, i saw that one on tv a few nights ago, hilarious, and on the money, as usual.

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Re: The current state of banks
« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2009, 02:32:49 PM »
HOW THE BANK CREATES MONEY

Rising debts and increasing bankruptcies are the result of Congress suspending the FREE coinage of metals - INTO MONEY - and switching us to banc credits as our medium of exchange.
These acts converted our nation from a wealth monetary system, where people created money for society's benefit though the fruits of their labor to a monetary system where now all new money is loaned into circulation as an interest bearing debt.
Since this system only creates the principal and never the interest, the debt is always greater than the money supply.
This fraudulently created debt forces American citizens to borrow constantly so the system can function. Eventually the process becomes unworkable as society, mortgaged to the hilt, can no longer afford to borrow.
The debt creates extreme stress for us as we struggle to meet impossible money obligations. The results are: a constant rise in the costs of living, layoffs, family breakdown, increased drug and alcohol use, and increase in crime and a general moral breakdown.
"Money is created when loans are issued and debts incurred. Money is extinguished when loans are repaid." - Congressional Research Service
* If the money supply is to be increased, money must be created. The Federal Reserve Board (or "the Fed" as it is often called) has several ways of allowing money to be created, but the actual creation of money always involves the extension of credit by private commercial bancs.
* In both the goldsmith's practice and in modern banking, new money is created by offering loans to customers. A private commercial banc which has just received extra reserves from the Fed (by borrowing reserves for example) can make roughly six dollars in loans for every one dollar in reserves it obtains from the Fed.
* How does it get six dollars from one dollar? It simply makes book entries for its loan customers saying you have a deposit of six dollars with us."
* You may want to know whether the bank is the one getting the benefit of the new money, since the banc owns the new money while the customer has merely borrowed the money. The bank does indeed get the benefit of the new money. (The interest or the liened property.)
* "...Money for paying interest on borrowed money comes from the same source as other money comes from..."
The Debt is always greater than the money supply!
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Re: The current state of banks
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2009, 02:39:11 PM »
Another look at it...

MONETARY POLICY, BANKING, AND MONEY
Comprehensive Info About Creating Monetary Policy and Money According to the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas.
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Money makes it possible for people to exchange goods and services without having to rely on a system of bartering. Banking provides a means for savers to lend to borrowers and earn interest in the process, and it gives borrowers a place to go for loans.
The aim of monetary policy is to ensure that there is sufficient money in the economy to keep it growing, but not so much that the economy overheats. When the economy overheats, the result is inflation.
Inflation?too much money chasing too few goods?creates an inefficient price system. It also distorts decision-making, reduces productivity and lowers the economy's long-term rate of growth. This results in lower living standards for everyone.
WHAT IS MONEY & MONETARY POLICY?
We may not think we have enough of it, but in many ways, we tend to take money for granted.
When you buy a pair of jeans or a CD, for example, you never wonder whether the merchant will accept the bills and coins in your wallet as payment. But suppose money as we know it didn't exist. How would you pay for the things you want to buy?
That was the situation in the early days of the American colonies. British money was scarce, so colonists substituted basic products of their local economies that were
always in demand?things like tobacco, grain and fish. For small change, they often received nails and bullets.
But their system, called barter, had many shortcomings. How many fish would it take to buy a bag of flour or an oil lamp, for example? Suppose the merchant didn't want fish, or they spoiled before he could trade them to someone else. Later, as trade developed with other colonies and countries, colonists used various foreign coins, such as gold Spanish reales. That's when money as we know it finally gained a foothold in the U.S. economy.
Money is a medium of exchange accepted by the community, meaning it's what people buy things with and sell things for. Money provides a standard for measuring value, so that the worth of different goods and services can be compared. And lastly, money is a store of value that can be saved for later purchases.
The young United States experimented with monetary policy for well over a century before settling on today's monetary policy, which is based on coins, paper currency and money in bank checking accounts. The early government tried unsuccessfully several times to make paper money work, but people relied mostly on gold, silver and copper coins because they were made of precious metals that had intrinsic value.
Today, though, our coins don't contain any gold or silver. You can see this for yourself by looking at the edge of a dime or quarter; you'll see a copper core, sandwiched between silvery nickel. The metal value of modern American coins is much less than its worth as money. American currency no longer is backed by gold or silver either, but it no longer really matters.
That's because what gives money real value is its purchasing power, not what it's made of. In fact, any economy's health can be measured not by how much money people earn, but by how much their money buys. The overall assortment and quantity of goods and services your money lets you buy reflects your standard of living.
Like diamonds, money is relatively scarce?on purpose?and that's just what makes it valuable. You as an individual want to earn as much as you can, of course. But the national economy can actually have too much money. When the amount of money circulating grows faster than the rate at which goods and services are produced, the result is inflation.
Say you want a new pair of jeans, for example. Last year, they cost $20, but this year an identical pair costs $23. If prices of most other goods have also risen, then you are probably dealing with inflation?too much money chasing too few goods. Prices have inflated and your $20 buys less than it did. You must earn more just to stay even.
THE FED'S ROLE IN MONETARY POLICY
Keeping prices stable is part of the job of the Federal Reserve, which was created by Congress in 1913. There had been two attempts at establishing a central bank in the United States in the 19th century, but politics killed them even though they were successful. Back then, state-chartered banks issued their own paper money backed only by their individual gold and silver reserves. As a result, there were once more than 10,000 different kinds of bank notes in circulation.
Suppose you owned a store in those days. How would you know which banks had enough gold reserves to make their currency worth its face value? Should you decrease the value of bills from a weaker bank? And how would you keep track of all those bank notes? You can imagine the shopkeeper's dilemma. If a bank went broke, its currency was instantly worthless, and those who held its notes could lose everything.
Naturally, people hurried to withdraw their money at the first hint of trouble in the economy. The result was periodic financial panics that could devastate the national economy for years. Finally, after a particularly bad panic in 1907, Congress decided to solve the problem with the creation of the Federal Reserve System. The Fed was established to provide for a safer and more flexible banking and monetary system.
With the Fed as a safeguard, banks can perform their proper role of bringing savers and borrowers together for the benefit of both. For any economy to be successful, a country first needs political stability so its citizens feel safe; then it needs a stable financial system that includes both trustworthy money and reliable financial institutions. Healthy, profitable banks, therefore, are a vital part of the nation's economic welfare.
Banks provide many services, but for most people, banking consists of depositing their salaries into checking accounts and writing checks on that account to buy things that cost more money than they want to carry in their wallets. People also commonly have savings accounts in which they deposit money they don't need right away or they are saving for a particular purpose. The bank pays interest, or a price paid for use of the money, on savings accounts and often on checking accounts, too.
Very little of this money is kept in the bank's vault, however. While the Federal Reserve requires banks to keep a specified percentage of customer deposits on hand to meet routine withdrawals, they lend the excess. Banks, like any other business, must make a profit to stay in business. Their profit comes from interest people pay on the money they borrow.
HOW BANKS CREATE MONEY
Banks actually create money when they lend it. Here's how it works: Most of a bank's loans are made to its own customers and are deposited in their checking accounts. Because the loan becomes a new deposit, just like a paycheck does, the bank once again holds a small percentage of that new amount in reserve and again lends the remainder to someone else, repeating the money-creation process many times.
The tricky part of monetary policy is making sure there is enough money in the economy, but not too much. When people have the money to demand more products than the economy can supply, prices go up and the resulting inflation hurts everyone. While in the United States we get concerned when inflation climbs above 3 percent a year, we've been more fortunate than some other countries. Just imagine trying to survive in post-World War II Hungary, for instance, where inflation for awhile averaged nearly 20,000 percent per month!
MONETARY POLICY AND THE ECONOMY
Controlling the money supply to help the economy grow steadily without inflation is the Federal Reserve's job. Called setting monetary policy, the Fed does this primarily by buying and selling Treasury securities on the open market.
Buying securities on the open market can make it easier for banks to loan money and can give the economy a boost, while selling securities can restrict lending and can help cool down an overheated economy. When the Fed buys securities, the Fed pays for them by crediting the reserve accounts of the sellers' banks.
With more money in their reserves, banks can lend more. By contrast, when the Fed sells securities, the Fed collects for the sale by debiting the reserve accounts of the buyers' banks. With less money in their reserves, banks can't lend as much.
Conducting monetary policy is a tremendous responsibility, for the nation's economic health is at stake. You can see why politicians might want to control monetary policy for short-term interests. For that reason, the Fed, by law, is not government controlled or funded by Congress. While it is a centralized banking system comprised of 12 regional banks, it is independent in conducting monetary policy.
Besides conducting monetary policy, the Fed also acts as the bankers' bank. As people withdraw more currency to buy things when the economy is booming, the banks in turn pull additional currency from their own reserve accounts with the Fed. When the economy slows down and people increase their savings, banks return the surplus to their reserve accounts. The Fed handles check processing for banks as well, to make sure the billions and billions of dollars in checks written each year move smoothly from one bank to another.
The Fed has other functions besides monetary policy. It helps regulate and supervise banks to keep them financially sound, and it serves as the government's banker by maintaining the U.S. Treasury's "checking account."
THE FIGHT AGAINST INFLATION
It's a complex system, but the goal is simple: to keep the economy stable and growing at a pace that can be sustained without inflation. Economic security underlies nearly every hope and dream people have. It enables businesses to know they can afford to hire more workers, and it lets people plan for the future.
If you are saving for college now, for instance, you want to know how much you need altogether and how much you must set aside each month. An inflationary economy can wreck your plans?what you've saved isn't nearly enough anymore, and you don't know how much more will be needed.
A healthy monetary policy, sensitive to changing economic conditions, helps prevent such worries, so you can get on with the business of working to turn your dreams into reality.

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« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2009, 06:30:34 PM »
Thus, we become a consumerist society, and your wealth is charted in your credit rating.
Something you might want to concider, your credit rating is actualy your debt rating, since the more in debt you are, the more credit you can aquire.
Makes sense if your psychotic.
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« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2009, 01:26:56 AM »
Thus, we become a consumerist society, and your wealth is charted in your credit rating.
Something you might want to concider, your credit rating is actualy your debt rating, since the more in debt you are, the more credit you can aquire.
Makes sense if your psychotic.

I thought it worked like this: The more debt you have, that you make payments on time, and in more than the minimum, the more credit you can acquire.

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« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2009, 04:07:48 PM »
Same thing, the more you pay the more in debt you are, thus the more credit you can aquire
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« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2009, 07:48:43 AM »
I thought it worked like this: The more debt you have, that you make payments on time, and in more than the minimum, the more credit you can acquire.

This time last year I had half a dozen or more credit cards.  Each time I applied for one, the first question they asked was if I had any other credit cards.  Upon replying "Yes many", it was sealed that I would receive the one I was applying for by return of post.  Surely the statement that I already had many credit cards would mean that:

1. Why would I need any more

and

2. My income would already be going out on them.

I cannot see the logic in that at all.  If it were my decision, I would have given credit cards to the people that didn't have them already, and refuse those who were serial credit junkies.  Thankfully, I am now debt free, but the downside is.. I'm skint!!
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Re: The current state of banks
« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2009, 11:03:26 AM »
Are Bulldozers Now The Best Neighbor?

This is an interesting article someone emailed me a couple of days ago. It talks about how some new houses are being bulldozed. They say it?s a ?safety issue?. But, if it were safety?they?d also be bulldozing down trodden neighborhoods that have huge foreclosure rates, and some of the buildings are one step away from being condemned. So, then... it?s easy to assume the purpose really is just to try and slow the decline in prices of housing by reducing some of the competitors.

Totally. Freaking. Insane. logic.

It was stupid to put up so may huge crappily built slapped together unnecessary waste of space houses anyway? But, as long as they?re built..why bulldoze them? Lol.. people have nowhere to live..hey, I know, let?s bulldoze some houses 0_O It?s just like The Bicycle Thief, but with houses instead of bikes x___X