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End of Thrones: All the spoilers.
« on: April 14, 2019, 08:45:33 PM »
I both liked and didn't like this episode? A lot of wagon circling actually showing golly all. A few secondary characters get some action, and once again, stupid bickering is done when there is a friggin' Army Of The Dead coming.

Things I liked: Most of the questions I had from the Finale are answered here, they aren't dragging crap out. Jon learns of his Parentage, Daenerys doesn't get to ignore the fact she burned his best friend's father and brother to death, much like her father burned his Grandfather and Uncle to death. I mean DANG. At the same time, some of the parallels are a bit too "on the nose". Like having the episode end with Jaime Lannister and Bran just staring at each other. [The series premiere ended with Jaime shoving bran out a friggin' window, leading him on his series journey, AND permanently crippling him.]


The elephants are denied. We get no elephants. Cersei is DISSAPOINTED.


We spend more time with the Greyjoys than I care for. Most of them run away, but Mr. Runs away every time is actually going to the fight...


Some non combat dragon flying happens, and it's probably going to be one of the few happy moments of the season.


Jon and Arya show off their swords to each other, like NERDS. I liked it, it was pretty good, but Arya sides with Dipshit Sansa. Again. Sansa is really good at standing on walls and whining. And that's about it. She's like the Skyler White of the series, always telling the cool doods not to go do cool dood stuff. Like being a super criminal, like Walter White.


A character I was pretty sure died in a friggin' avalanche/700 foot wall implosion is somehow alive, but I'm happy, because he's funny. He got one of the few jokes in the episode, which lead up to a fairly messed up horror scene.


If anything is missing, I'd say since everyone is calling Daenarys a jackwagon, she isn't really doing anything offensive. She brought an Army to defend the People, She brought some pretty friggin' sweet Dragons to once again, Defend the people.


About the only person who has the right to be pissed at her is Samwell Tarly, and HOO BOY does he ever. Thankfully, he keeps his treason to talking with his best friend jon snow Aegon Targaryen


He's no longer "KING IN DA NORF", a title he's abdicated. He's now the Rightfull King of the Seven Kingdoms. And he DOES. NOT. HAVE. TIME. FOR. THAT. poo.


ICE ZOMBIES. ICE DRAGON. BAD NEWS.

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I was reading a thread, and they recapped that some whores (literally, I am not being mysogynistic, the setting has whores) Complain about a Lannister Soldier named Ed getting his face burned off last season.


Last season, fans complained that Ed Sheerhan got a cameo in GOT, including singing. So Ed Sheerhan LOST the game of thrones.
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2019, 08:53:40 AM »
I both liked and didn't like this episode? A lot of wagon circling actually showing golly all. A few secondary characters get some action, and once again, stupid bickering is done when there is a friggin' Army Of The Dead coming.

Things I liked: Most of the questions I had from the Finale are answered here, they aren't dragging crap out. Jon learns of his Parentage, Daenerys doesn't get to ignore the fact she burned his best friend's father and brother to death, much like her father burned his Grandfather and Uncle to death. I mean DANG. At the same time, some of the parallels are a bit too "on the nose". Like having the episode end with Jaime Lannister and Bran just staring at each other.
We spend more time with the Greyjoys than I care for. Most of them run away, but Mr. Runs away every time is actually going to the fight...
Jon and Arya show off their swords to each other, like NERDS. I liked it, it was pretty good, but Arya sides with Dipshit Sansa. Again. Sansa is really good at standing on walls and whining. And that's about it. She's like the Skyler White of the series, always telling the cool doods not to go do cool dood stuff. Like being a super criminal, like Walter White.

I'm mystified about why everyone thinks Sansa is smart.  Was it her tutelage with Little Finger?  The Skyler White analogue is pretty apt, (I laughed when I read that) but the show ain't over til the fat lady sings, or whatever.

I couldn't tell who was staring at whom at the end, so thanks for that.  Cersei continues to exercise extremely poor judgment.  Wasn't she pregnant already at the end of last season?  So what's with the rumpy pumpy with the Icky Greyjoy uncle?  That guy makes your skin crawl and she finds him interesting.  She needs to get out more.  Somehow if there is justice, she'll pay the price for sitting on her keester while the rest of the seven kingdoms go try to fight off the army of the north/cold undead white walkers.  How she can find that a good thing that they'll take out her enemies is beyond stupid.  That's like South Korea wishing for somebody to nuke North Korea. It might solve one problem, but it will give you a much bigger problem in the process.  At times this show reads like a WPA project for British actors, Anton Lesser is in pretty much everything on the BBC.  Wolf Hall, The Hour, Endeavour, and this.  There's lots of other actors as well, but I'm too sleep deprived to list them.  Lesser seems to be the co-opted priest of the wacko religion that had her parading naked through the streets for penance, and now he's her hand.  Great move, that.  King's Landing seems like such a lonely place, and so dull these days.

I'm assuming her brother will go fight the white walkers because he has a shred of decency.  Winterfell is like a little wooden motel 6 with a cool tree compared to the urbanity of Lannister's city.  It's curious to see everyone hanging out with the livestock in the mud and the snow.  How Danaerys keeps her nice white coat so clean is a marvel.  And I don't know about you, but if I wanted to ride on back of a large dragon, I'd probably leave my cape behind.

Nice to see Theon Greyjoy actually do something heroic and virtuous for a change.  I found the hour sort of slow in terms of development.  Sansa didn't like Danaerys.  OK.  She's had some bad experiences with strangers.  I get it. 

I'm a little confused about what's up with the Night's Watch and the Wildings.  If the wall fell to the blue ice guys, where are they holing up?  Or are the ice guys on a short vacation from wreaking havoc?

It's curiously slow to develop but other stuff, like here, Jon, let me fill you in on your parentage (how Sam got to Winterfell either escaped me, or was explained and I forgot it) seems to have been shoved into the episode with a shoehorn, like, the writers thought, we'd better get this established because we only have x number of episodes to wrap this thing up and it's necessary for plot development.  And how does Jon get to be the big king instead of Danaerys?  Is this the business as usual sexism?  He's second generation, right?
 Or does it descend through the male line with the elder son and his progeny being first before subsequent siblings?  How much older was Jon's father than Danaerys, anyway?

Or is the ability to raise dragons and walk through fire just a cut below hanging out with guys in the north?  Jon Snow's rise from the dead was a good trick, so maybe that was it.  I still don't think that thread was particularly well developed.  I don't remember him getting killed in the books so this is a new wrinkle that the writers didn't bother with and Melissandre seems to be awol.  Don't know if she'll pop up again.

I was happy to have it back, regardless.
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2019, 09:14:58 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2019, 12:00:22 PM »
Sansa thinks she knows all the rules to the game because she's watched the smartest players play... and she's wrong. Her two tutors were Cersei Lannister, who has always been a brutish thug throwing around Daddy, and later Robert's power, and Littlefinger, who intentionally bent things up because he was always angry about not getting "what he deserved". I've a lot of family like that. Very good at breaking things, utter poo at fixing things. We don't get to see his endgame, because Arya neatly cut that thread. During Arya's "Trial" Sansa implies the valyrian steel dagger (often called the catspaw dagger) belonged to littlefinger, that he sent the assasin. I was under the impression Joffery did it. (He wanted to kill bran for being a cripple).

Qyburn is a nasty, nasty character, and the Maesters were right to expel him. Then again, they poisoned all the dragons and destroy anything they can find related to magic, so they're pretty shortsighted themselves.

The Greyjoy alliance is needed because Daenerys pretty much wrecked the Lannisters with her dragons, plus no one else likes her.

She's bless'ed him presumably to cover the fact that she got pregnant by her brother again. That pretty much kicked off the war of the five kings.

Is she Pregnant? Dunno, prophecy says she only gets three kids, but it's also possible that Witch was just a madam. Also, she's drinking a lot of wine for a pregnant person, something that we already know the Westerosi know not to do. (Talisa Stark, red wedding)

Jaime swore to join the alliance, His madam sister backed out. The sword he currently carries is named Oathkeeper. The preview sort of implies he's bent himself, as he's standing where Littlefinger stood last season. Daenerys talks about how her bedtime stories were about her and her poo brother would kill him.

Kings Landing actually is a Lannister city now, she's replaced the Seven Pointed Star with the sigil of House Lannister. Plus, she blew up the church and faith, and appears to have got away with it. Whenever I kill a pope in one of those medieval conquest games, I get excommunicated and large portions of my army desert. BOOOO

Theon is pretty good at sneak attacks, he once captured Winterfell. Granted, that was a horrible betrayal, AND rightly cost him his most prized posession, but he is good at it.

Nights watch ain't got no wall to stand on, they'll either join the army of the living at winterfell, desert, or die horribly. The wildlings already came through the wall, that's why the watch betrayed and executed Jon Snow.

Dang, Sam did quite a long journey from old town, He essentially went from San Diego to New York. He got there towards the end of last season, He and Bran the creep had a short arguement about Jon being a scallywag, then Bran uses his creeper-vision to confirm that Jon isn't even named Jon. That was Ned being a richard. His name is Aegon Targaryan. Female Targaryans are not allowed to inherit. Technically, neither can Aegon, since King bottom disinhereted his son Rhaegar's children after Rhaegar got his chest smashed in by Robert, making Viserys the "rightful" heir.

And of course, Viserys is dead as golly.

Truth is, we don't really get "3 months later" or stuff like that. The show moves at the speed of plot. We do know it took King Robert 3 months to get from KL to Winterfell, but they were slowed by Cersei's piece of poo carriage. Might have been weeks actually, been a long time since I watched the first episode.


Melisandre is banished. If she shows up again, Ser Davos will kill the poo out of her.
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2019, 12:55:02 PM »
Thanks for the update/explanation.  I forget stuff from one season to the next.  Once I just read all the books between seasons but that was a couple years ago.

I thought King's Landing was always a Lannister City.  What was it before?  I probably should rewatch the first couple seasons to remind myself.

Melissandre was easy on the eyes.  I think she was played by a Dutch actress.  Just lovely.  Of course there were lots of good looking actors on the show who have moved on.  Jon Snow's wilding girlfriend (and real life girlfriend) is now a lesbian attorney on The Good Fight.  I suspect the paychecks are bigger on this side of the Atlantic.

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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2019, 01:48:11 PM »
Ygritte was Rose Leslie. Spouse of Kit Harrington. They joked about it on SNL, she told him to grow the beard back.

Kings landing... super complicated, but technically correct. Renly Baratheon was supposed to run the courts and the cops, but he was as lazy as his brother, the King.

So Redcloaks (Lannister soldiers) swelled the ranks of the Gold Cloaks (Official City Watch, corrupt as golly) (Also joked about with Flea Bottom: SVU)
All of the Queen's children were 100% Lannister, and she raised them as such, I don't think Joffery ever wore black and gold, his supposed house colors. Funny enough, the Queensguard of Cersei look more like Baratheon soldiers than anything else. I can't make out their sigil though, none of the shots lingered long enough. Maybe it's the throne?

When Ned brings the legitimate proclamation that he is to hold Regency until some unspecifed age for King prostitute murderer and all around poo, Things Went Down.

Renly and Stannis, the two presumptive legitimate Heirs, ran away. So Lannister soldiers cut down pretty much whoever they felt like killing. So yeah, Kings Landing has been pretty Red and Gold on the series. Doesn't help that the Castle is literally called the Red Keep.

Yes, Carice van Houten is insanely attractive, even among all the pretty people on the show. Sadly, that's how Emilia Clarke got the job, the original Daenerys (I HATE TYPING THAT NAME) from the pilot got dropped.

Funny enough, a lot of the pilot survives in the first episode, you may note Ned's hair goes between greasy and not greasy (They decided on the non greasy look) and Peter Dinklage looks like he takes haircare advice from Eminem.

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Jimmy Kimmel did a bit where a diabolical clause in their HBO contracts, the cast has to answer Game of Thrones questions over the phone. Sadly, like most talk show bits, it only gets half way to funny. Did remind me of the thread tho.
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2019, 10:12:02 PM »
Watched the second episode, Tyrion is damn up yo.

This episode doesn't exactly endear you to the northerners, here are these heroes showing up to put down their lives for you... and you're a richard about it.

No wonder the rest of Planetos (HOLY poo THAT IS THE ACTUAL NAME FOR THEIR WORLD) Hate the poo out of Westeros. Bunch of cave man morons. Like I'm left thinking there's some continent where they have cell phones and smart cars, and they just laugh at the feudal tards.


I'm really, really happy Jaime got to knight Brienne here, because she's literally the only person worth a knighting, in the whole show. Everyone else has pulled some cowpoo move somewhere, but she's bled, fought, and stood for everything that is good and just.


Funny enough, that's how Jaime Lannister got tricked into the kingsguard, he thought that was what it was all about, and slowly and cynically rotted away.

I mean a strong argument can be made that Ser Davos is a pinnacle of honesty, but 1) he was a smuggler. 2) he's already been knighted.


It's kinda bent how half the cast is gonna die in the next episode, but hey, it's thrones. At least Arya got some. Gendry had to be EXTREMELY freaked out, considering the last time a hot chick came on to him she put leeches on his richard. That's not me being me, she literally put leeches... on his richard. Thankfully THAT PART wasn't shown.


So yeah, the little wolf assassin got some, fulfilling the pledge of Robert Baratheon, the last real king of Westeros.

Probably my favorite episode of Thrones was the one where the Wildlings tried to take the wall, way back in... Season 4? Holy golly that was ages ago


That one was pulse pounding no holds barred fight for the wall. And the wall is gone!

poo is going to be nuts next episode. OH, and right before we hit credits, Daenerys found out she isn't the queen. ABSOLUTELY poo TIMING THERE AEGON.

Also apparently he's decided to be Aegon now, instead of Jon Snow, Warden of the North, which he was fine with at the beginning of the episode.

WHAT THE golly JONGON?


PPS, the premiere spoiled me, I totally thought I had the hookup, and I was going to watch the whole season in HD, right after it aired. Instead, I found a bunch of shitty cams that didn't load, until today, when it was a rip from Eichbo. Like it did go up last night, but it was buffer hell.


My dog watched it from my lap, he really likes fire and the one scene where ghost showed up his ears went pop, like a mogwai.
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2019, 10:26:23 PM »
I tried to stream it but the buffer drove me nuts so I went somewhere and got a low res copy that looked fine.  Is it me, or was the repetitive, "You'll be safe in the crypt" business some kind of foreshadowing of the fact that, actually y'all WON'T be safe in the crypt.

Yeah.  This season has me sort of bummed in that everyone knows it's the last one and of course at least half these guys will die.  And soon.  How many episodes are left?  It looks like there are 6 and we're a third done.  I'd expect we get to fight cold dead people, experience lots of casualties at least for one episode, maybe 2, and then spend another three with resulting power struggle with the remainder.  Oh the poor dead dragon.  How do you kill a dead dragon so it doesn't run around blowing blue fire all over everything?

Also, "forging dragon glass with a hammer"?  Glass has greater compressive strength than steel, but it is brittle and has little tensile strength, so banging on it ain't a great idea.  But it's dragon glass.  So maybe someone from Corning can explain this.

I agree that the Aegon biz didn't sound right or consistent with Jon's character.  Not sleeping with your aunt when you are no big fan of incest makes sense but it's not like she did something mean to him.  Now it's like, "I won't sleep with you anymore and by the way, I'm taking the throne."  Somebody's gonna die to resolve this.  Mark my words.  And I've always been confused about the once dead status of Jon.  What's up with that?

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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2019, 11:09:04 PM »
okay, so that's actually a really good point, an obsidian sword would be garbage, but the stuff under dragonstone appears to have been prepared. So yeah, Dragonstone = Volcanic obsidian, but that does not equal dragonglass.

In Season 7, when JONGON pledged on the premise that Daenerys would A) fight the dead. B) Supply Dragon Glass. We don't know if she used the dragons to make the obsidian super special, since this isn't star trek, and they're not going to run an organothallium pulse through the deflector array.


Anyway, he took her down to the magic cave, and there were cave drawings on how to fight the white walkers. Also he probably boned her. He's got a thing with caves, and the ladies do not complain. Apparently he gets a skill bonus modifier in caves.

I am very pissed at the ever shortening seasons, we used to get 14, and episode 9 was where poo went nuts. Now, we get less, because apparently it cost more. Like it won't golly them in subscription numbers when the show ends.


I think Jon still loves her, I don't think the incest thing freaks him out because no one knows jack poo about genetics, just that Targaryen babies are a risky deal no matter who the father is. Jon doesn't want the throne, he's made that abundantly clear.


Daenerys on the other hand, does not seem to be taking ANYTHING well this episode. She's shown she can conquer, but she's done golly all to prove that she's cut out to rule. Ser davos cut her down AMAZINGLY when Missandei laid out all her royal titles, and he said "He's Jon Snow".


The Crypts? Honestly, I don't think they're going to do it, but a great way to cut costs would to have the crypts shake, show the people cowering within, maybe have a bit of a break where Davos has to kick some ass.

A lot of the crypt baiting in this episode was seeing who might bow out from the fighting. Tyrion's being sent down despite WANTING to fight. Gilly is down by default, but she looked pregnant to me, plus she's never been a fighter.


Little Bear Lady Lyanna Mormont aquitted herself well against her cousin, the disgraced Jorah Mormont. She's gonna fight, and if she dies, I'll be unhappy, because she's been pretty bless'ed boss so far. Took up the Lordship bold as brass, declared for her king, and called him a damn' moron when he gave it up.


The other little girl has me super wary, she's burnt. That's not dragonscale like Shireen suffered, but this little girl is damn near tailor made to pull on Ser Dadvos strings. If the white walkers found a way to keep the eyes from being neon blue, she'd be the perfect trojan horse. She only needs to stab like, two people, and the crypts will become a battleground of their own.


People have been bitching about the dragonglass for a while. I feel like the forge scene before the forge sex scene was kind of a "golly you" to those people, when Arya takes up the spear heads and tosses em like a damn' ninja.

Ah, people I want alive, maybe Tyrion's off it, since he seems destined to golly things up somehow.

I'd say, Ghost, Arya, Brienne, Davos, Gilly, (sadly not sam, he's going to be such a badass, but I don't see him surviving) Little Sam, because he's with his mum, Yara (Her cousin is gonna gut her), nobody on team Cersei, so explode kings landing, and Meera? I'm actually glad Meera got the golly out of things, she lost everything, fell in love with Bran, and Bran died.


That being said, much has been made of the denizens of house Reed, even though the show seems to have written them off. They're a mix of silent assasin ninjas and swamp people. Also, they are very short. Which would be awesome in fight scenes. Bunch of ninjas just doing their thing... Silently.

I'd like Pod to live, but he sang this episode, that's a death flag. Like talking about how many days you have until retirement. Oh poo, Missendi is screwed. She totally did that.


Jon died. Blades through the heart do that. Sometimes Priests or Priestesses of Rhylor can bring you back. Ser Beric Donderion, of the whiskey voice, currently getting shitfaced on the battlements with the hound, has been brought back a whopping nine times.


You lose part of yourself each time. Jon made Melisandre swear not to do it again, he says it removed joy from his life, but he was never happy to begin with, so who knows. Apparently he was pretty far away from resurrection though, either because it was hard (Melisandre thought she failed) or HBO were being teasy naffs (They waited until the end of the episode for him to gasp awake).

He used this super legit death to resign his lifelong vow to the night's watch, leaving Edd in charge. Edd is in winterfell now, alive. He gave Sam poo for becoming a badass and getting a woman.


Jon does not want the throne. He never has. But he also tries not to lie. I feel like that was just the worst time possible for him to reveal it, but hey, them's the breaks.


Seriously, any questions you have, lob em, this is fun.
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2019, 12:47:50 PM »
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The other little girl has me super wary, she's burnt. That's not dragonscale like Shireen suffered, but this little girl is damn near tailor made to pull on Ser Dadvos strings. If the white walkers found a way to keep the eyes from being neon blue, she'd be the perfect trojan horse. She only needs to stab like, two people, and the crypts will become a battleground of their own.

Trojan Horse sounds too devious for a bunch of guys who are just dead and set on taking over.  The back story of the white walkers is not very well developed.  So far it's like a zombie apocalypse with a dragon and a rudimentary political system, i.e. they have a king.  That fact alone is a bit much to digest given the wights are just apeshit crazy dead people.  It's hard to imagine that they'd "bend a knee" or whatever semblance is left of their rotting corpses to pay homage to handsome evil king guy.  And what was the deal with the infant getting transformed into blue eyed whatever back several seasons ago when Gilly's character was first introduced?  Are you suggesting that the little girl with burnt face is somehow connected?  Given the fact that there are lapses in the story line that Schmoogsley could drive a big rig through, I wouldn't be surprised, but it's not going to be in danger of any Nobel prizes for literature, either.

ps.  Just looked up difference between white walkers and wights.  Wights are the reanimated zombies that the ww created and the ww are somehow sentient beings created by the forest people, ostensibly to protect them.  Well that didn't work out too well, did it?  And why do the WW want to take over, anyway?  Do they want beachfront property somewhere so they can have warm vacations?
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2019, 06:43:10 PM »
The Night King was created to defend the Weirwood trees from the Andals, who were invading Westeros at the time. The Children of the Forest needed those trees to do magic. It's implied that the Children also wrote history, and removed anything that implied they were evil or unsavory. Bran found out how they made the jerk when he was on one of his Time Walks.

 Needless to say, they bent up. Sadly, that documentary was removed from the index of that site I sent you, but they interviewed the Night King actor in it.

He wants to kill all life and destroy all history, leaving nothing but the dead behind. I don't think they really give a flying poo about the wights over anything but a disposable army. After all, The Night's watch has now taken out several of his dudes.

As to the White Walkers, The Night King creates them in a similar manner to how he raises the wights. My guess is that after the "Win" he'd just do his Jesus Christ pose and all the wights would fall over with their strings cut.

Craster, Gilly's Father, offered up all the male babies from his daughters to not get killed outright, and it worked pretty well for him.

Maybe I am overthinking the burned girl, but it seems very weird that something that symmetrical would happen to Davos. I mean they didn't have to have her be burned.
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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2019, 11:51:04 PM »
Now, didn't Gilly swap her baby with that of one of the Wilding chieftains to keep it safe?  So the baby she's got with her is not hers, and I thought the one that the ice king performed magic on, rendering its eyes blue was hers, but maybe I'm mixed up.

There are quite a few speculations online in answer to the Question, What do the White Walkers want?  The most outlandish is that they are actually the force for good who are bound to restructure the world and restore its balance.  The various contenders for the Iron Throne are the ones messing things up.  That's interesting, but most likely ridiculous.

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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2019, 01:11:05 AM »
only just watched number 2
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2019, 06:40:41 AM »
Eh? There were kids at hardhome, but baby Sam is Gilly's and sadly Crasters (her father)

Technically she's a wildling, but golly the dead lord Randyll Tarly, she's a lovely and kind woman.

Episode 2 made it clear, White walkers were designed to kill all humans, and Bran specifically. They said exactly that? I think they had Sam and Bran explain it.

Force for good? No. That's like saying Cersei is a progressive for burning out the regressive bottom Faith of the seven. Like that Captain Marvel video said, you go girl.

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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2019, 10:40:42 AM »
There are so many details that are foggy in my memory, but Mance Rayder's son was in danger of being sacrificed by Melisandre, so Gilly was forced to swap her baby with Rayder's little "Monster."  And it's that child that they left the Wall with, when Sam went to study at whatever that place was called.

So that is a thread that was left hanging.  Once Melisandre figured out this was not a royal baby, she'd lose interest in sacrificing it.  But what happened to Gilly's kid?  There's no explanation.  Incidentally, Hannah Murray was in Skins, a BBC series that I liked, at least for the first couple seasons.  It sort of went downhill after the first...

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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2019, 08:51:12 PM »
Apparently that's a book thing?
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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2019, 08:58:01 PM »
The swap takes place in the 2013 season.  On the show.
Gilly is bummed, being attached to her own child and all...

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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2019, 11:43:15 PM »
I'm reading back, from what I read she worked in the kitchens, then went to poo town, poo town got raided by freefolk, Ygritte saves her, and it's back to the castle. Battle goes down, Mance gets used as a candle.


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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2019, 01:50:53 AM »
https://imgur.com/a/qfPaYac  img tag failed, but I did try.

This is an average frame from The Battle of Winterfell 8x03. There is a raven in this image, but you cannot see it.


Didn't realize my TV was bad at black levels until this one. Turns out, rendering black is actually pretty hard.

I'm 37 minutes in, and honestly, they should have drafted Rammstein to be in this battle, if only for LIGHTING.

I'm a little pissed at how craven they're making Samwell Tarly so far, he's already faced death battles several times. I can understand being terrified, even pissing yourself, but he's locking up, and it's already cost a friend their life.

Sansa is being a poo, as usual. Tyrion feels like he's been put on a bus, and honestly, he has. He's been diminished by cowpoo.

I am severely hating the dragons flying around in the black. I feel like it's meant to be frustrating, but at this point I'm wishing someone would drop a nuke, just to LIGHT THE SCENE PROPERLY.

1:01 God, Jon will never get the 1v1 fight he wants. Even when he killed Half-hand, it was a feint to build his street cred.

Once again, a night king rez pisses me off (the little bear. GAH) I was very unhappy watching that death, felt like something that shouldn't have been made, let alone watched. I mean I've seen going out like a badass scenes before, but that was... not pleasant.


Crypts being unsafe, WHAT THE golly STARKS  Like, Bran Stark built the bless'ed Wall, you'd think he'd include "Cut the head off the body" in burial instructions for the crypt.

At least Ned did right by that... unintentionally.

I am tired of Drogon getting stabbed, it's like fighting dogs in FPS. Just horrible noises.

Huh, Sam is good at hoarde mode. Notepad blinded the golly out of me. Theon making Lance Armstrong look like a madam.

Dany finally picks up a feckin' sword, but damn. I thought I saw sansa die, might have been wishful thinking.

A witty line will not aid the half man. What happened to his mountain tribes?

Sansa wants a Romeo + Juliet Marriage.


HOLY poo Dany can fight like a beast!


THEON CLEARED AN ENTIRE FECKIN WAVE!

White walkers tho, golly


Does... Does AeJon think he just Fus Ro Dah'd a zombie dragon? Because to him it probably looks like it.

I had to look this up, but Arya IS older than Bran, so Big Sister saved Little brother. Nice. Also, Maisie Williams has been talking up a "gaffe" she made in season 1.

She said that she read somewhere that Arya is left handed, and it made choreographing the fight scenes a madam.

Well, Now the Night King is the madam.


I watched the preview. Apparently the budget for the 3 remaining episodes includes LIGHTING.
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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2019, 06:01:29 AM »
I should probably watch it again.  It was so dark on the streamed version I saw, I didn't know WTF was going on most of the time.  Lots of animal growling and stabbing with attendant gore sounds.  Dragons in the air, but hard to tell which ones were which. Did one of the two that weren't dead die?  I missed Danerys fighting.

The whole business was so sad and so MESSY.  There's going to be a good deal of cleaning up and rebuilding to do.  Maybe they can enlist the kids from the crypt to get to work on that.  Now we have 3 more episodes to see how very cynical GRRM via this tv interpretation gets to be.  In a cruel world, all the good guys would fail and Cersei would get to hang out on the Iron Throne until her incestuous progeny came of age, assuming that happens.

Oh, and now that there's no more ice people, what will Bran do with his time?  It was nice to see Melisandre back, but it wasn't clear why she had to be dead by dawn.  Does heavy chanting really take that much out of a person?  I guess magic is hard work.  I wonder if there's a dead guy list somewhere so we can see who did not make it out of this episode.  And maybe they might want to consider braille subtitles, since it was so dark.

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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2019, 06:17:48 AM »
GRRM is like, two seasons back. He's even admitted he feels bad about it. I don't think he has an end. I've read that good authors write their endings FIRST, and flesh out.

GRRM seems an OK writer.

Like, I've seen the outline. There was supposed to be a love triangle between Jon, Arya, AND TYRION.  And they redacted what the third book was going to be (GOT was supposed to be a trilogy)

So, essentially, the show runners have taken the ball from the fat fisherman and ran with it. Which is funny, because he SHITS HIMSELF about fanfic.

As to the dark, I seriously think it was intentional, and they went way too far. Winterfell should be abandoned, but they won't. Preview showed them burning bodies.

the dragon stuff. Rhaegal got ROCKED, but bit off Viserons face, which is funny because Drogo burned off Visery's face to protect Rhago. (Dead baby)

But yeah, Cersei has the greatest mercenary company in the world, and the North just lost TWO ARMIES. Plus Dany was being all shitty at Jon RIGHT BEFORE THE BATTLE, and Sansa is Sansa.

Bran is dead, even Bran says so. He's the Three Eyed Raven. Logically, he's the greatest military asset EVER, he can give you exact info on ANY event, that has EVER happened, up to five seconds ago. Realistically, he's been nostalgic about the time his former sister got raped by Ramsay.

Even the ravens are superfluous for his DVR playback mode. Mel had to die because honestly, she carries ALL the guilt. She was wrong just about every bless'ed time. To be honest, best she did was some pyrotechnics and an 11th hour peptalk to the real "Prince who was promised" FOOKIN ARYA STARK, AYYY.

I read some poo that says high Valerian prince is Gender Neutral, and (This is not fanfic) Arya has been a Princess TWICE.


First under Robb Tard, lord of weddings. Second under KING JON STARK, KING IN DA NORF. And yeah, I know he was Jon Snow then, but LYANNA damn' MORMONT said she knew only one King, whose name was Stark. And if anyone can crown a king, it was that absolute badass. Only death that pissed me off.


So yeah, 3 more episodes. I did watch a video that said the Iron Bank no longer has any reason to back Cersei, because she paid the Baratheon crown debt in full at the end of S7, and that was a bad idea because of economics, but I don't understand economics, at all.
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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2019, 11:59:33 PM »
Lyanna was a tough little thing.  Sad that she died and went all blue eyed for a short time.  May she R.I.P.

I'm up to eyeballs with school work right now so I'm not doing a great deal else, but after hours of work, watching GoT is a welcome distraction before bed.  Is it the case that the coming 3 episodes will each be 1.5 hours in length?

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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2019, 11:54:24 AM »
Got questions?  Call the helpline.

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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2019, 01:15:54 PM »
aw, I feel like it's a good formula, but is rushed. The first one was pretty good too.

Sophie Turner, god did Sansa suck... again. Last week she was the smartest person Arya knew. This week? Knife operation eluded her. I mean, I get that was yet another pointy end callback, but can Sansa even functionally eat breakfast? "I don't know how to use cutlery!"

Bran was fantastic in this one.
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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2019, 10:49:49 AM »
I agree.

This morning, it occurred to me that GoT was a good deal like this popular fictional kids' show:

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« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2019, 06:59:14 PM »
oh poo.

It gets way stupid.

Like, I don't even want to watch any more.

I thought it was great how they subverted Jon and Dany's "destinies" by having Arya shank a madam, but, they're going to have Dany mess up worse than the ice javelin scene last season.

About the only thing I like is that Bronn will finally get his castle. Seriously, that's the only happy thing. Everything else just sucks.
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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2019, 02:02:52 AM »
Annoying.  Just how is it that Dany's gotten all passionate and sloppy all of a sudden, after being a ruthless but just ruler up to this point.  And Jon's brilliant strategy of telling his family that he's not a Starck (well he is, really, just not Ned Starck's son--wasn't Lyanna, Ned's sister?) so he's their cousin rather than their half brother, right?  Of course nobody will spread that information around, especially since he asked them to keep it secret.  Great.

And WTF.  Why not fly the remaining dragon behind the ships after losing the one and burn the hell out of them?  It worked for Admiral Nelson.  Jeez.

Expecting Cersei to grow a conscience is beyond stupid.  Tyrion should know better, and as for what they did beheading their hostage.  What was that all about?  So what's next for Arya?  Road trip with the Hound?  Has she exhausted the list yet?  I suspect Cersei is on it.  If anyone can take her out, it's Arya.

The episodes have gotten sort of bloated and overwrought at this point.  Pretty weird to have Jaime Lannister knocking boots with the most recently knighted Ser.  This is like medieval fantasy written by Mad Magazine.  Not much to be taken seriously here.

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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2019, 05:44:54 PM »
I didn't actually watch it. I read the spoilers. Turns out even Bronn getting his castle was horrible.

Someone posted an image on reddit of the firing arc of the scorpions, and Drogon just carrying a big rock from outside the firing solution.

Then again, if we've learned anything about Tragigians, it's that the incest didn't exactly help with battle strategy.

Holy poo, I just realized Jorah was the only person with actual regimented war experience on danoono's team.

I do like that Jaime left. He gave an oath to fight for the living. He did that, the oath is fulfilled. He never said he would jump teams. Hell, he flat out said he wasn't apologizing in his dope trial scene.

One reason Football rarely shows the overhead camera is because it removes suspense. That being said, TWO bless'ed DRAGONS MEANS YOU PUT ONE ON HIGH ALTITUDE RECON.

But if they did that, Viseron would be alive, and the wall would be intact.

You don't get to hide behind a cliff, or teleport your navy.

That being said, I've seen hiding under a bridge to avoid police pursuit work in both Grand Theft Auto and the real world.


Danoonoo has to be a moron now to fulfil the "mad dragon queen" plotline they've been forcing since the Tarly BBQ.

As you can see, I no longer feel the need to look up the spelling on names.
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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2019, 10:31:37 PM »
I suspect that the higher the profile of this show became, the more the competition among writers at HBO to get on board.  Now they have the high paid nitwits cranking out scripts, some who apparently are utterly ignorant of diplomatic or military history.  It's degenerated into an expensive violent soap opera.  What a waste. 

Really, I've seen more humor and irony on "As the World Turns."  And there was no magic in daytime drama.

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« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2019, 12:47:21 AM »
Now people are talking about this one extra with an epic beard and how he survives all the battles.

Like he might end up king after all the plot people kill each other in some petty shitfit.


I hear they didn't even do airhorns for Cleganebowl. I am glad that Cleganebowl actually ended up being a thing, but people are so angry at the show they forgot to get hyped.


Huh, I guess people are just uploading scenes to youtube now, no naffs given. It was a pretty good fight.
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« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2019, 01:00:38 AM »
Jesus, this has devolved into a regular snorefest.  Grim and more grim.  Characters get to transform into their opposites on a dime.  It's the game of dimwits.

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« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2019, 01:20:41 AM »
Oh, and they used "rocks fall everyone dies" for the series antagonist. The ending for D&D when you hate the player.

And the showrunners are named D&D.

Back in episode 2 was it? People wondered why they did the whole stupid dragon date, and it's become even more stupid as the season drags on. (Hah, six episodes)

Like, if it was to establish a bond between Jon and Rhaegal, that would have been cool. Dragon named after his dad.

Instead, they 360 noscoped Rhaegal for nothing in episode 4, and Dany has been in a bless'ed shitfit since JonGon revealed his true parentage.

Huh, did she go nuts because she found out she bent her nephew? Either way she's now worse than Cersei, Mountain, Euron, Ramsay, the slave masters, the sons of the harpy... Basically all the antagonists put together BUT night king, considering she just murdered like, 50,000 civilians due to bad mood.

So ruling Westeros just became pointless.

Eh, maybe in the last episode, they'll just come out, apologize, say they've hired new writers, and they're going to start the season over because no one liked it.

At least Tormund and Ghost got the golly out of Westeros. I really, really wish they'd taken Jaime and Tyrion with them, but eh.
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« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2019, 02:12:00 AM »
Cersei had the opportunity to form an alliance with Danaerys and to fight the WhiteWalkers.  She was an bottom to the end who did not understand that having one's city transformed into a medieval version of WW2 Dresden was an immanent alternative.  I'm sort of happy that some well deserved bad guys got dead in this episode.

Maybe Arya realized that she's not quite as badass as she thought.  Too bad about Sandor Clegane, though, as I quite liked him.  The mad queen cowpoo is so misogynistic, and Varys' comments about men holding power made me glad he got turned into a barbeque.  He sure had it coming.  This whole "women with power go mad" thing just honks me off.  What a bunch of B.S.  Do they have the GOP moonlighting as scriptwriters or something?

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« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2019, 02:50:06 AM »
Funny enough, people have been talking "Mad Queen" for quite a while. Used to be considered a shitty plot for fanfic, highly ridiculed.

And then they did it.

Cersei may have been offered a cease fire, but there was never going to be peace between Targigians and lannisters. Honestly, after the battle of Winterfell, Cersei should be winning. Hell, I think it was flat out stated they were screwed if they had to fight Cersei post "Long Night" (hah)

She saw Dany already lost one dragon to the Night King, and prepared Anti-Air defenses to deal with any survivors.

Those AA guns went from 3 direct hits in five seconds from a rolling ship to crap bow and arrows in one episode, it's crap.

Basically, while Cersei was always garbage, she should have won this. Even with Arya shanking the Night King, she's one Ninja Assasin against an army. Sandor was right to tell her to leave with a pulse.

Everyone got a lobotomy. Tyrion went from

"A wise man once said the true history of the world is a history of great conversations in elegant rooms"

to

YOU GOT NO cockerel LOL

Characters wear and discard plot armor with little rhyme or reason.
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« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2019, 07:22:36 AM »
Those AA guns went from 3 direct hits in five seconds from a rolling ship to crap bow and arrows in one episode, it's crap.

Everyone got a lobotomy. Tyrion went from

"A wise man once said the true history of the world is a history of great conversations in elegant rooms"

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YOU GOT NO cockerel LOL

Characters wear and discard plot armor with little rhyme or reason.

Agreed, especially about the lobotomy part.  Characters experience vast personality swings w/o rhyme or reason.  And don't get me started on the routine violations of the laws of physics.  https://www.tor.com/2019/05/08/doing-the-math-on-game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-4/

Highlights:  mortally wounded Jaime managed to kill Euron or whatever his name, and then gets up and walks to meet up with his sister who is inexplicably easy to find in the chaos so they can have one last romantic "let's get crushed to death" ending together.

Mad Queen goes on inexplicable strafing runs with dragon over civilian population, capriciously demolishing buildings in the very city she expects to rule over.  Once she's wiped out the navy and the scorpions that posed a threat to her dragon, the rest makes no sense, as she's made her displeasure with her friend's beheading clear.

Who's gonna pay to reconstruct all that?  And I'm sure that's a great way to win the hearts and minds of your future subjects.  Sure.  They're really gonna love you for that.  Why Jon won't sleep with her now?  That's not clear, give incest seems just fine among the Targaryens (I can't spell this stuff worth a damn.)  At least he can say something other than "you are my Queen."  What does that mean?  Go figure.  And what was that business about his contradicting the prediction that she couldn't bear children, just a tease?  There's loose threads and unexplained plot developments to addle the most on the top followers of the show.  I've read all the books and they're a ton better than the writing here.

I guess GRRM is just sitting back cashing checks and so that's made him lazy.  His absence here is glaringly obvious.

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« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2019, 03:50:30 PM »
So far, the show's writers look like they were schooled by the wisdom in Lesson 2 ("The Ending") of Michael O'Donoghue's "How to Write Good."  Except they substituted giant rocks and getting stabbed for getting run over by a giant truck.

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All too often, the budding author finds that his tale has run its course and yet he sees no way to satisfactorily end it, or, in literary parlance, "wrap it up." Observe how easily I resolve this problem:

Suddenly, everyone was run over by a truck. -the end-

If the story happens to be set in England, use the same ending, slightly modified:

Suddenly, everyone was run over by a lorry. -the end-

If set in France:

Soudainement, tout le monde etait écrasé par un camion. -finis-

You'll be surprised at how many different settings and situations this ending applies to. For instance, if you were writing a story about ants, it would end "Suddenly, everyone was run over by a centipede." In fact, this is the only ending you ever need use.*

*Warning - if you are writing a story about trucks, do not have the trucks run over by a truck. Have the trucks run over by a mammoth truck.

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« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2019, 06:00:39 PM »
On the Mysogyny front, apparently a targgigian queen already went nuts and burned a bunch of poo, so they got banned from ever holding the throne... but the secession thing was always cowpoo. 

Aryes disinherited Rhaegar and his kids, so Jon is disqualified. Women targigians aren't allowed to hold the throne, so no Dany. No one liked Stannis, but his was the claim, but Brienne killed him.

Oh poo, She'd probably make a good queen.
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Apparently the offishul statement is she went nuts when she saw the red keep again. She's not trying to rule anymore, she's gone nuts.
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« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2019, 09:42:13 PM »
You'd have thought that she'd cheer up after they killed all the dead blue guys.  But some people are never satisfied.  The last episode reminded me of "Earth vs the Flying Saucers," a 50's sci fi film that lovingly destroyed all of our treasured Washington DC monuments.  Except this time we get a pretty girl burning things down astride her dragon.

Really, given all the poo she's endured, Danaerys going nuts at this point makes zero sense.  I don't know about laws of inheritance or whatever other goofiness is going on, but she seems to feel entitled to govern, so destroying her capital city makes no sense either.  I suspect the writers had to keep the CGI guys happy so they could come up with the usual death and demolition animation.  Otherwise, their little feelings might be hurt.

How else to explain the absurd poo show that the last endless episode encapsulated.

And chrisT's observations about being able to set up a story but not end it seem completely on point here.

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« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2019, 12:49:07 AM »
I'm serious, they're using the "inside the episode" segment HBO puts on their shows to excuse their shitty writing.

Like the reason the pirates of poo island (Ironborn) managed to kill Rhaegal is because Danoonoo forgot about them. Yes, she forgot they existed, despite flying directly over them.

That's where I got the "She went nuts when she saw the Red Keep" thing. She doesn't care about ruling, she's crazy.

I did read a funny fanfic where Yara Greyjoy explains her success and continued survival "Reave and leave, Let those crazy gits kill themselves"

Eh, at least they didn't kill her off. She logged her whole pirate fleet out of the server. The only winning move in this Game of Thrones is to refuse to play.
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« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2019, 01:21:07 AM »
Well, yes.  The plain, serious fighting women are sort of in the background and one wonders what will become of them.  Brienne, Arya, and Yara all seem to forego vanity and take warfare seriously. 

There's plenty of speculation as to who ends up ruling over this unholy mess of a plot.  But I'm just expecting it will be a big surprise.  Some have mentioned Genry.  What happens to Jon who doesn't want to rule and the noble Tyrion Lannister who is basically decent?  As for Mr. 3 Eyed Raven, he seems content to just be all Psychic Hotline these days.  The whole plot twist with Danerys just annoys me, but she's clearly out of the running.  I don't like the cold north, but if it would get me away from the rest of those bozos, I'd be inclined to head that away to be free of the idiocy surrounding Kings' Landing.

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« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2019, 09:02:13 AM »
Boy, you guys sure love your shows. I used to have this kind of passion for music. I used to be a voracious reader, also, but, I don't waiste my time with fiction any longer. Hell, I went 8 years without a TV. lol When it came time to get another stereo, I decided to go ahead and go the home theater route. Uh, well, let me put it this way; I should probably only call Comcast when I plan on having company, then, have them disconnect it. lol I'm glad others enjoy it, I could do without it, myself.
Anyway, started my next project. This is why I have a 3 bedroom apartment: to store all my stuff (pneumatic tools, radial arm saw, etc...) Yeah, I know, I'm weird. I don't want to buy another home yet. Not sure what, or where, I want to do it yet. I've been thinking about transferring further south. The older I get, the more these Winters annoy me. I'm just waiting for the next company 'Change Of Operation'. That way I wont lose my seniority.
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« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2019, 10:53:59 AM »
I wouldn't go so far as to characterize our banter as unbridled passion for the topics.  It's just nice to have a common interest.

After 10-12 hours of school work, it's nice to kick back with a glass of wine and watch something.  I guess I could watch the Bold and the Beautiful or Parks and Recreation, preferably in that order, but given my fondness for Classical literature, these modern parallels are more interesting to me.  I was skeptical of the fuss over GoT until I watched a couple of episodes.  Despite the decline in plot development, they have some of the finest British actors currently working involved with the show.  There's little expense spared.  I was initially so impressed that after I ran out of episodes for the show, I read the books, which are even better.

You could always try watching an episode or two and then you might not feel so left out.

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« Reply #42 on: May 14, 2019, 11:11:35 AM »
LMAO! Maybe I should download Season #1. I know an awful lot of people really love this series. I'm afraid I am WAY too far behind to contribute to Bully's thread however.

I am very familiar with what you mean about 'work'. Once I go back to work next month, it will consume most of my time. I guess I shouldn't complain, I am compensated fairly. I'm afraid  the 'good ole days' of making a decent living working 9 to 5 w/weekends off are long gone. Ok, I'm done hijacking Bully's thread. He is going to give me the keyboard lashing of my life. lol  :o
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« Reply #43 on: May 14, 2019, 07:23:40 PM »
Well you have until Sunday to get through eight seasons, but at this point I can't really recommend the series, considering what they've done with it this season.

I did like Arya making the extinction threat go away with one knife stab though. I've never been a fan of prophecy in a series, stinks too much of a roadmap that simultaneously dictates the future actions of characters and jacks off the writer while he tells himself how clever he is.

This mad queen poo though, they should have been selling it from day one. Maybe have HER be the one who abuses Viserys, like he's telling her not to marry Drogo because the Dothraki are super gross and essentially embody everything Westeros hates, and she's just like "I am taking the power you never managed to amass, beggar king. And then slaps him.

OOOH, later on, when they're in Vaes Dothrak, have him getting drunk, but HAPPY drunk, like he's made friends with Jorah, they share a laugh, she looks over, sneers, and signals Drogo to kill him.

As he's on his knees, and the gold is being melted, she has a monologue about how Viserys has become a threat to the rulership of her son, then you do the crown for a king thing.

Then you don't have to change  a whole lot, maybe have her be more into it when her dragons burn poo. Like the Arena scene, she was escaping on Drogon, not burning everyone alive.


I mean she's already proven to be a bad ruler, she essentially destabilizes power structures while moving on to the next thing. Tyrion, Missandei and Grey Worm were overwhelmed trying to rule in her stead. Contrast this to when Tyrion was Hand to Tywin and managed to repel the invasion of kings landing. Crap, he got some solid kills in, even when the kingsguard tried to assasinate him on Cersei's orders.


Instead, we have her go nuts because Jon wouldn't golly her.


This wasn't bad tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCHlCiB98N4

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just one little time change so a draft board in 1968 turns down the bribe to accept "bone spurs" and we are home-free.

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« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2019, 12:44:01 AM »
it tied off the loose ends (they wouldnt dare leave them open) and left lots of options.
It was only a tv series and if people didnt like the ending then tough. they liked all the other shocks trough out the series
A petition  lol get a life.

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« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2019, 12:55:35 AM »
uh, they've been skipping resolution scenes because they don't want to write them the entire season.

Like, the Dothraki just golly off. NO ONE ALIVE SPEAKS DOTHRAKI NOW.


On reddit, someone made the joke that bran points at the remaining ships and says "YOU BOAT NOW"

So some random dothraki wheels him off a cliff into the ocean. END OF THRONES!


Essentially, Jon does not walk away. At all. Unless he 1v1'd Grey worm in the previous episode. Because Grey worm was totally eyefucking him. And not in a consensual manner.
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« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2019, 02:35:56 AM »
Not so cool to stab someone while you are in a passionate embrace.  I disliked what they did with Dany.  The rest seemed like a bunch of scriptwriters hurrying to finish the job and go on vacation.  Loose ends got tied up for sure.  And some were fine and reasonable, but maybe they're prepping for a spinoff.  That's some kind of cash cow, so I wouldn't be surprised.

I don't know if I'd want to rule under the moniker of Bran the Broken.  Couldn't they come up with something nicer?  He's got nice eyes, he can travel like an Eckankar guy, give him some credit or something.

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« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2019, 12:02:18 AM »
a few of actors state it was rushed when written. dont know why as they know it was needed.

still best scenes ever watched  Hollywood take note

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« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2019, 04:40:55 AM »
 I loved this.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAhKOV3nImQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAhKOV3nImQ</a>

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« Reply #49 on: May 23, 2019, 09:50:16 AM »
That was completely fantastic, but I just came up with a crossover fanfic.

Remember in the super disappointing Finale of Battlestar Galactica they decided to leave behind society, technology, modern medicine, logic, tents, guns, essentially so they can run off in the fields and golly cavemen? Like they literally made a joke about it where EJO accused Baltar of wanting to golly a caveman even though he's got a smokin' hot cylon girlfriend?


And Starbuck decided to make AeJon Targaryen look even more superfluous by literally ceasing to exist after programming the GPS for Galactica with music from her deadbeat dad that abandoned her?


Well, Rather than take a fricking Raptor up 300 feet and doing proper terrain surveys, PRESIDENT Lee Adama decides he's going to go off exploring, but they keep it vague.


So now I'm imagining an island where Lee and Arya get shipwrecked, share each other's stories, and then Arya kills the golly out of him for wasting the advantages he had for being from a space-faring Antibiotic having society.


And everyone else dies because the Dothraki show up, because they spawn asexually now. So Baltar has like, a little farm, and whenever the Dothraki show up to burn it, his hot cylon girlfriend just guns them down because they were smart enough to keep guns.


Oh, and Athena and Helo just mooch off them because Baltar is mystically connected to baby Hera.
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