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Chaos / Re: Brexit
« Last post by 6pairsofshoes on Yesterday at 03:23:57 PM »
The Beyond Meat burgers are good, based on pea protein.  But, they're hideously expensive.  Morningstar Farms spicy black bean burgers are ok, but the rest of them, meh.  I like Quorn burgers.  They use some kind of mycoproteins.  They have fake chicken burgers, fake hamburgers, etc.  Not bad in general.  Morningstar farms uses GMO sources so not among my favorite brands in this genre.  I'm not really a burger eater, but my husband likes to eat them.  He usually eats his meat burgers at lunch in restaurants, while we use veggie burgers at home.

I sort of pause at the idea of vegan sausages.  I'm not a huge sausage fan, but Aidell's makes several pretty tasty chicken varieties.  They also make a range of burgers, with the carmelized onion chicken burgers among the best.  I don't mind tofu, but it seems a bit of a stretch to force it to substitute for a completely different food culture like burgers and hot dogs.  I haven't tried any tofu sausages but it's mostly because they sound like they'd suck.

There's plenty of delicious Asian recipes that feature tofu.  Why not just eat those?  I make this one sometimes and it's really good.  https://www.food.com/recipe/thai-tofu-and-green-bean-red-curry-83380
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Chaos / Re: Brexit
« Last post by 8ullfrog on Yesterday at 08:55:04 AM »
So they are to be called Vegan Tubes?

I think bringing legislation into this argument is somewhat silly, but it has bothered the caveman bit of my brain that the stupid brands can call their bean patty sandwich a "burger" or worse, their nasty meatless tubes "Hot dogs".  Much as there is no such thing as Almond or Oat "Milk". At least some companies are honest enough to call their product "Dairy Substitute".

I had a friend who would very often throw out the hot dogs at a bbq and replace them with shitty tofu dogs, she was eventually banned from the grilling area. Yes, we CAN tell the difference, Rachel.

People would get REALLY MAD about it.

Morningstar has never made a product I've enjoyed.

I believe I made a thread about the impossible whopper, I was impressed by everything but the price. I've yet to try the other one, and I scarcely remember the name. Beyond burger?  I know they used Carl's Jr as the chain to launch it, and I've not been to one of those since, poo, 2009.
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Chaos / Re: Brexit
« Last post by goldshirt*9 on Yesterday at 08:48:23 AM »
We are not in the EU though? That was my point.
Even if we were, I'd still call it vegan cheese - or "muck" now I think of it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8867175/Vegan-sausages-renamed-tubes-new-EU-law.html

Britain would be able to opt out of the law if it passes, because it is leaving the EU.
But British ministers could choose to adopt the measures, and UK farmers exporting to the EU would be forced to abide by the rules.

not quite yet were not  ??? ???
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Chaos / Re: Brexit
« Last post by smokester on October 26, 2020, 03:00:49 PM »
Aye, that you are.

I'll take that as a compliment.

veggie burgers + sausages can be called  sausages and burgers - European Parliament on Friday voted to allow producers of meatless foodstuffs to continue calling them "sausages" and "burgers" if they desire

Veggie cheese nope - non diary product - 2017, the Court of Justice of the European Union (EU) ruled that dairy-alternative products cannot be sold in the EU under names such as ‘milk’, ‘butter’ or ‘cheese’.

bingo

We are not in the EU though? That was my point.

Even if we were, I'd still call it vegan cheese - or "muck" now I think of it.

My husband, for health reasons, used to frequent a vegan restaurant for lunch.  They had some good creative sandwich wraps.  The one thing I never could get comfortable eating was "vegan cheese."  It's like some kind of weird test tube produced congealed vegetable fat.  Not palatable at all.

And what's up with hamburgers?  They don't contain any ham.  Why isn't anyone kicking up a fuss about that?

It's fun watching those EU-people-folk doing their thing. I thinks they're a bit cray cray.
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Chaos / Re: Brexit
« Last post by goldshirt*9 on October 26, 2020, 11:48:40 AM »
never call tem hamburgers myself , always beefburgers over here
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Chaos / Re: Brexit
« Last post by 6pairsofshoes on October 26, 2020, 11:13:07 AM »
My husband, for health reasons, used to frequent a vegan restaurant for lunch.  They had some good creative sandwich wraps.  The one thing I never could get comfortable eating was "vegan cheese."  It's like some kind of weird test tube produced congealed vegetable fat.  Not palatable at all.

And what's up with hamburgers?  They don't contain any ham.  Why isn't anyone kicking up a fuss about that?

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Chaos / Re: Brexit
« Last post by goldshirt*9 on October 26, 2020, 09:51:29 AM »
I'm curious: can the U.K still call it vegan cheese?
veggie burgers + sausages can be called  sausages and burgers - European Parliament on Friday voted to allow producers of meatless foodstuffs to continue calling them "sausages" and "burgers" if they desire

Veggie cheese nope - non diary product - 2017, the Court of Justice of the European Union (EU) ruled that dairy-alternative products cannot be sold in the EU under names such as ‘milk’, ‘butter’ or ‘cheese’.

bingo
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Chaos / Re: Brexit
« Last post by smokester on October 25, 2020, 01:32:33 PM »
I'm curious: can the U.K still call it vegan cheese?
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General Discussion / Re: Current Events
« Last post by 6pairsofshoes on October 24, 2020, 03:46:16 PM »
That's ok, 8ully.  I have a mind like a sieve and cannot remember you posting it.  Trump's popularity is kind of like those kids who vote for the bad boy to be class president.  He says all the ugly stuff they feel, and so, they think he's one of them, but, in reality, I think Trump actually despises the people who vote for him.  That's the one poignant irony of his presidency.  The people whose good opinions he values, or would value if he could win them, are the very people who find him utterly repugnant.

Suppressing votes in poor and minority districts also helps throw the win to him.  I'm not at all sure that Biden really has this thing sewn up.  I'm seriously considering staying away for the coming 4 years if the incumbent is re-elected.  The damage to our democracy seems as if it may be permanent.  And there's plenty of other countries that treat their citizens with greater care.  If I've learned anything from being away for the past three months, it's that "American exceptionalism" is a myth that crumbles under any sustained scrutiny.

It's telling that I can get a COVID PCR test with results back the same day for free in France, but if I can get a COVID test in the U.S. at all, the results usually take as much as two weeks.  It's absurd.  But there you have it.  American democracy has taken a distinctly Hobbesian turn.  If you have money, fine.  If not, you get sick, suck it up.  Go find a tree somewhere and die under it.
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General Discussion / Re: Current Events
« Last post by 8ullfrog on October 24, 2020, 03:20:43 PM »
I forgot it was all Seth Myers fault.

I was trying to track down when Joe Biden was introduced to Old Dirty scallywag's "I like it raw".

I found the 2011 White House Correspondent's dinner.

Trump is bless'ed STATIONARY through the entire thing. Everyone dunks on him. Seth Dunks on him, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES dunked on him.

And I swear to god, Seth Meyers made him go from joke candidate to "golly this Hollywood elite, I'm gonna run for realsies."

I looked it up, the current President does, in fact, hate Seth Meyers.

Thatcher and Reagan used the same PR firm, and it shows if you look back at their material.

There was a bless'ed fantastic documentary on that, but I can't track it down.

The Joe Biden having ODB entrance music can be found here:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2011/05/01/president-s-speech-white-house-correspondents-dinner


I just walked back through this thread, and I mentioned the Thatcher Reagan thing already. I'm embarrassed.
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